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hedgew ◴[] No.15021772[source]
Many of the more reasonable criticisms of the memo say that it wasn't written well enough; it could've been more considerate, it should have used better language, or better presentation. In this particular link, Scott Alexander is used as an example of better writing, and he certainly is one of the best and most persuasive modern writers I've found. However, I can not imagine ever matching his talent and output, even if I practiced for years to try and catch up.

I do not think that anyone's ability to write should disbar them from discussion. We can not expect perfection from others. Instead we should try to understand them as human beings, and interpret them with generosity and kindness.

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joe_the_user ◴[] No.15021907[source]
I'd actually say just the opposite - the memo seemed to be written as well and in as conciliatory manner as it could be written and the memo made good (or at least plausible) point and bad points. But the bad points were so bad that it was appropriate and necessary to fire Damore.

Essentially, as analogy, there's no way for a person to say "Black people are inferior and shouldn't be hired", as a message broadcast through their entire workplace, and not have that person be creating a hostile work environment for African Americans. If that person says "I don't mean in general, I mean inferior just for this occupation, I don't mean inferior, just 'differently talented, they've got great rhythm'", it doesn't matter, if that person says "here's a study which says this, we should consider this in an open minded fashion" it doesn't matter. The message is unacceptable. That person is done, that person should be done.

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ZeroGravitas ◴[] No.15025796[source]
Unfortunately for him, he did basically say that about African-Americans.

How else am I supposed to take it when a self-identity right wing person claims the left don't believe some science related to IQ in the context of a diversity memo.

What "science" could he possibly be referring to other than the Bell Curve BS?

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sobani ◴[] No.15027459[source]
Didn't he also refer the bell curve studies that claim that despite the same average intelligence, there are less 80 IQ women than men and there less 120 IQ women than men? So why wouldn't it be reasonable to assume when he was talking about IQ differences, he was talking about that?

Why do you jump to the conclusion he must be talking about ethnicity? Afaik ethnicity wasn't referred to at all in his memo.

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1. ZeroGravitas ◴[] No.15027490[source]
He repeatedly refers to race in the context of diversity in his memo, at least 9 times the word "race" is used for example. Notably, he doesn't seem to feel the need to back any of that up with science, apart from (maybe!) the casual reference to IQ.

Sometimes you'd think there were two completely different memos under discussion given the lack of basic agreement on facts as relate to the memo itself, never mind it's arguments and sources.

Though, I guess you're right, he may have left it ambigous about exactly which IQ differences he believes in that "the left" don't. People seem to think it's wrong to complain about his communication style, but as this example illustrates, peppering a memo with alt-right buzzwords and then being ambiguous about which particular controversial IQ studies you support can just as honestly be interpreted as dog-whistling rather than incredibly high levels of naivety. I think most people suggesting his communication skills are lacking are actually just giving him the benefit of the doubt.