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turc1656 ◴[] No.15010817[source]
"In the name of diversity, when we fill quotas to check boxes, we fuck it up for the genuinely amazing women in tech."

Precisely. This goes directly to the core of the issue and what I had brought up on the thread recently about the Google employee who got fired. Specifically, if companies were truly interested in fairness, the only mandate for the interview process would be to hire the best person, no exceptions. By doing this you treat both sexes fairly and give everyone an equal chance. Otherwise, you end up with "reverse sexism", which the author does not explicitly say, however she does essentially admit to in her description of the hiring loop:

"After some rounds of low to no success, we start to compromise and hire women just because we have to"

The only logical conclusion that can be drawn from that is she hired at least a few women over men which she thought were better candidates simply because "we have to". That's a problem.

Overall, though, I thought her piece was well written and she seems to get at the real issue and even has a possible solution that doesn't involve just hiring women for purposes of optics only - fighting the battle far earlier and getting girls interested young so that they choose to enter these fields at a higher rate than they currently are doing.

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1. microcolonel ◴[] No.15011232[source]
> fighting the battle far earlier and getting girls interested young so that they choose to enter these fields at a higher rate than they currently are doing.

I encourage you to try, but grand social engineering projects have been devoted to this exact specification in Sweden (and probably elsewhere), and the ratios don't seem to budge. I hope we won't all get so upset if it turns out nothing reasonable can be done.

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2. turc1656 ◴[] No.15011300[source]
I won't be upset at all. My opinion is simply that is the only reasonable/ethical way to go about it if we choose to do so.
3. hnnsj ◴[] No.15011363[source]
I actually live in Sweden, and I can tell you that there hasn't been any social engineering projects at a large scale. Sure, there has been some adjustments to teaching and elementary school, but gender norms are very much alive and well here. It's not nearly enough to change a few things in school to actually make a dent, there's still soooo much influence from media, advertising, role models, friends and most adults.