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bobsam ◴[] No.14502324[source]
The real question you should be asking yourself is how hard it is to fake these. If I get hold of someones copies, can I use them as template?
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kemiller2002 ◴[] No.14502382[source]
I think this is an excellent example of why security through obscurity is a bad idea. Now that we know they are there, it's only a matter of time before they are all broken and duplicated. How hard is it? I don't know, but I can't imagine that its impossible. Given time and technology, someone will figure how to forge these without difficulty.

They were clearly betting on the fact that no one would notice they are there. What scares me is we're just finding this out. How long have criminal organizations and rogue nations known about this and what have they used it for?

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schoen ◴[] No.14502455[source]
I'm confused about why people consistently think that this was a total secret, no matter how many waves of press coverage it gets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printer_steganography

There were press articles about it by 2004 (and I think some earlier), we had written the tool that Rob Graham used to decode these scans by 2005, and I gave a number of TV interviews about it during 2005. A small number of manufacturers (maybe worried about European data protection laws) also alluded to the existence of the technology in their user manuals. Some of the people from industry who contacted me also said that this was common knowledge to people in the printing industry since at least the turn of the millennium.

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1. rhizome ◴[] No.14502878{3}[source]
people consistently think that this was a total secret

As far as I've seen, this isn't true.

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2. schoen ◴[] No.14502927[source]
Maybe I should say "regularly"?
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3. taeric ◴[] No.14503094[source]
I'm curious if there is a "half life" to this knowledge. Or, rather, what that would be.
4. rhizome ◴[] No.14503215[source]
It sounds like you're being surprised that anybody doesn't know about it, even if they're in a risky position themselves, which seems disingenuous.

Before today, what was the most likely path to this knowledge? As in one month ago...and how many 26 year olds have occasion to learn themselves the details of printers? Nobody uses printers.

Yes, working in that position it would be more likely, but she still could merely be a corner case when it comes to laser printer dot awareness, even within the IC.