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fiatjaf ◴[] No.14330452[source]
I don't understand what is wrong with Uber Eats charging whatever price they want to charge. If $4.4 is too low just don't work for them. There are probably people for which this is a good price. If not, it's Uber Eats problem, not yours.
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justaaron[dead post] ◴[] No.14330508[source]
you are in the extreme minority in advocating NOT having a minimum wage. your approach also essentially nullifies any possibility of collective bargaining, as any desperate person may actually accept such a low offer thus driving the market price down.

I could just as easily propose contracts for sales of kidneys from living donors. You have 2 of them, after-all, and if you happen to be mentally incompetent enough to sell one of them for a few bucks, who the heck does the guvment think they are interfering, eh?

1. eru ◴[] No.14330559[source]
Iran has a market for kidneys, actually. And it's the only country in the world without a long queue for donations.
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2. toomuchtodo ◴[] No.14330564[source]
There's a reason the first world hasn't implemented a marketplace for organs.
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3. eru ◴[] No.14330595[source]
Moralising?

EDIT: See http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/08/25/fake-consensualism/ for some more background.

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4. toomuchtodo ◴[] No.14330617{3}[source]
We draw lines where society deems them to be drawn. Its okay for Iran to sell organs. Is it okay for women to be property as is the case in some countries? Child brides? Of course morality is subjective.

I don't want to live in a country where slavery is required for people to barely survive. I'd like to be on the right side of history. And if part of the tech industry has to be gutted or burned down, so be it.

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5. mgkimsal ◴[] No.14330684[source]
Had you read/heard this story?

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/580/...

It's what sprung to mind when you mentioned organ sales, and it dives in a bit more to multiple sides of the issue.

Interesting read/listen for those of you haven't yet.

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6. Dylan16807 ◴[] No.14330705{4}[source]
You didn't actually explain why. You just mentioned unrelated issues.

'moralising' is actually a pretty good answer. When it comes to certain actions like organ donations, we're utterly terrified of the idea that someone will feel like they 'have' to do it. Getting a million dollars, even though it would have an amazing impact on your life, is bad because you'd feel pressure toward doing it. Getting a small payment would also be bad because you're being taken advantage of. But you can do it for free if you so desire!

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7. danblick ◴[] No.14330728{3}[source]
This kind of reminds me of the Econtalk episode on "why the law is so perverse". There's a sense that people can't make rational decisions under conditions of extreme stress.

"I think part of the reason is we worry that there could be at lack of judgment there, perhaps. Someone under that unattractive choice. It's related to Mike Munger's concept of euvoluntary. It's a person who is clearly under duress no matter what: even if they enter into it freely, it's such an unattractive option, to call it a free choice seems somehow perverse in itself."

http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2016/08/leo_katz_on_why.htm...

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8. eru ◴[] No.14330733[source]
Thanks for the link. I think I read about it from other sources.

Yes, it's a bit of a complicated issue---but it's not just "obviously a bad idea and no one ever should ever even contemplate it".

9. avar ◴[] No.14332279{4}[source]
Thanks a lot for that reference. I listened to that episode, it's got a really interesting idea related to a "marketplace for organs" that I hadn't heard about before.

They describe setting up a consensual "kidney club". The idea being that if you're in the club and need a kidney, one member of the club is chosen at random and compelled to give you a kidney, but likewise if you have kidney failure and would otherwise die you get a kidney from a random member.

This sidesteps the usual concerns about implementing a marketplace for organs. I.e. even if you're a billionaire the only way to insure yourself against kidney failure is to enter the pool of potentially mandatory donors, and you can of course stay outside the "kidney club" and not have to donate to anyone, but then you also die if you have kidney failure.

Katz points out that the reason this doesn't work is that current law can't compel you to donate your organs, even if you've previously signed a contract to that effect, but that this creates a market failure & tragedy of the commons.

Implementing a system like this seems like a no-brainer and a benefit for everyone involved, but it's blocked by current contract law & the inability to force people to undergo medical procedures they consented to in the past.

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10. toomuchtodo ◴[] No.14332702{5}[source]
Thank you for expressing what I could not.
11. eru ◴[] No.14356430{5}[source]
Compare http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/05/the-right-to-waive-your... for the practical limits of contracts here.