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saosebastiao ◴[] No.12306836[source]
Good. Block their deal, let them drop out of obamacare, and then give us the Single Payer that we've always deserved and watch those fuckers go bankrupt like they've always deserved.
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danielweber ◴[] No.12306899[source]
Anyone who thinks this is leading to single-payer is dreaming. Whether you think it's a good idea or not, the political will wasn't there for in 6 years ago, and there is much less political will for it now.
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1. dragonwriter ◴[] No.12313269[source]
There's a lot more political will for a "public option" now (largely because the people who have said it wasn't necessary in the ACA-style setup and that private insurers -- augmented by the coops that the ACA created a framework for -- would step up have increasingly been proven wrong.) Whether a public option is a step on the road to single payer depends on a number of things, including how private insurers respond.
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2. danielweber ◴[] No.12315876[source]
The coops have not been doing well. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/12-bi...

A proper public option receives no more government support than a private company does. If answering to political pressure instead of answering to a board of directors turns out to be an amazing thing for health care efficiency, single-payer could be on its way. I think that's dreaming by people who have never run anything in their life, but I also think that they should be free to try and fail, as long as it's a genuine same-as-a-private-company public option.

When you want something to happen politically, you need to work from a position of strength. If you have had a bunch of failures recently, people will not trust whatever new promises you are making. (And saying the failures were someone else's fault is the worst excuse of all. It's not like all those people you blame the problems on have died.)