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saosebastiao ◴[] No.12306836[source]
Good. Block their deal, let them drop out of obamacare, and then give us the Single Payer that we've always deserved and watch those fuckers go bankrupt like they've always deserved.
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skylan_q ◴[] No.12306862[source]
i couldn't in any good conscience support single-payer or socialized medicine it's the same economic model that created breadlines
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lg ◴[] No.12306905[source]
it's also the same economic system that saved american seniors from dying destitute before SS and medicare.
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skylan_q ◴[] No.12306931[source]
help 5 people, hurt 100 people.

the idea that SS and medicare are great and have done wonders is what's causing the country to go broke and costs to skyrocket.

it was never good in the first place. you see the benefits when the programs are implemented, but everyone fails to see the costs and lost future opportunities.

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vidarh ◴[] No.12306959[source]
The irony that you are blaming social security and medicare on the US costs while US healthcare is far more expensive than almost every socialised healthcare system in the world is astounding.
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skylan_q ◴[] No.12306973[source]
Single payer systems ration the amount and quality of care given.

When you ration the amount and quality of care given, you can drive costs down.

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Frondo ◴[] No.12306996[source]
Private insurers also ration the amount and quality of care given.
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skylan_q ◴[] No.12307033[source]
Everyone rations.

The difference between the US and the single-payers is that more care is given and better care is given vs. the rest of the world where gov't budgets are constrained so care is constrained.

I'm in Ontario and I can't even get a general practitioner. This is worse than communism.

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1. Frondo ◴[] No.12307476[source]
More care may be given, but I can't find any way that the statement "better care is given" could be taken as a true statement. The US falls far below every other western nation in terms of money spent vs patient outcomes.