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seibelj ◴[] No.12306806[source]
Can anyone succinctly explain the benefits of having a market for private health insurance companies, rather than a single provider of health insurance (government, aka "public option")? Can a capitalist case be made for their existence? Does the lack of a large private insurance market in countries with government-provided health insurance cause lots of inefficiencies and waste?
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Mister_Snuggles ◴[] No.12306906[source]
It's hard to tell if there are inefficiencies and waste or if health care is just simply really expensive.

Health care is done by the Provinces in Canada, with transfers from the Federal Government to help out. The most recent Alberta budget[0] puts the cost of health care at about $20B. This represents approximately 40% of Alberta government spending.

Is that due to waste or inefficiencies? I honestly have no idea. I just know that it's a big number.

Another thing to keep in mind is that, at least in Canada, the government provides some base amount of health services, but there are still other things that aren't covered. In Alberta, someone might go to the ER for a severe asthma attack and that's covered, but the prescriptions to keep the asthma under control are paid for out of pocket or from a benefit plan (which could be an individual plan or through an employer). Similarly, dental is not covered, but may be covered under a benefit plan.

[0] http://finance.alberta.ca/publications/budget/budget2016/fis...

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msbarnett ◴[] No.12307151[source]
> Health care is done by the Provinces in Canada, with transfers from the Federal Government to help out. The most recent Alberta budget[0] puts the cost of health care at about $20B. This represents approximately 40% of Alberta government spending.

Worth considering:

Per http://www.chcf.org/publications/2016/05/health-care-costs-1...

> US health spending reached $3.0 trillion in 2014, or $9,523 per capita, and accounted for 17.5% of gross domestic product (GDP).

The Population of Alberta is around 4,196,457 per a statscan estimate for 2015.

4,196,457 * 9,523 = 39962860011

So we're spending ~20,000,000,000 CAD = ~15.5 Billion USD, versus 39,962,860,011 USD for the same population in the US.

edit: The US number seems to include prescription drug spending. Per http://www.statista.com/statistics/436305/medication-spendin..., it's $867 per person in Alberta, or $3,638,328,219 CAD -- so it's closer to $18.5 Billion USD for health spending in Alberta.

That's a better deal any way you look at it, especially when you bear in mind that Canada has better overall outcomes than the US.

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1. forgetsusername ◴[] No.12307224[source]
>That's a better deal any way you look at it

I'm Canadian and can't get a family doctor (nor can my wife). I don't consider that a "good deal". Maybe if it was more lucrative (read: doctors made more money, budgets were higher) we could attract more talent and I could?

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2. msbarnett ◴[] No.12307285[source]
The US system has the same issue -- many people don't have a regular family doctor and rely on clinics. It's a more complicated problem than pay -- family medicine simply isn't an attractive speciality to many medical students. Money could move the needle a bit, but treating strep throat is never going to be a prestigious pursuit versus a lot of other specialties. And if it doesn't improve overall longterm outcomes, it's not worth spending the money to move that needle.

At any rate, it's rarely impossible to find a family doctor, but it can take some persistence to find one accepting new patients. Almost every provincial medical association maintains a list of family doctors accepting new patients. If you're in a small town it might be a challenge, though.

edit: to put some numbers on this, 15% of Canadians don't have a family doctor (http://www.ctvnews.ca/health/canada-ranked-last-among-oecd-c...). In the much higher spending US system, 20% of Americans don't have a family doctor (http://www.fiercehealthcare.com/healthcare/one-five-american...).

3. UseStrict ◴[] No.12307350[source]
Where do you live that you are having these problems? I was able to find a family doctor within a month of searching and reading reviews. Granted I'm based in a major city (Ottawa), but I was normally directed to other physicians when I called one that wasn't accepting patients.