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saosebastiao ◴[] No.12306836[source]
Good. Block their deal, let them drop out of obamacare, and then give us the Single Payer that we've always deserved and watch those fuckers go bankrupt like they've always deserved.
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skylan_q ◴[] No.12306862[source]
i couldn't in any good conscience support single-payer or socialized medicine it's the same economic model that created breadlines
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vidarh ◴[] No.12306919[source]
Gee, I missed the bread lines when I grew up in Norway, and I must've managed to miss them in the UK too.
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skylan_q ◴[] No.12306940[source]
I live in Canada so I get "free" healthcare as well.

Norway's system of delivering food isn't a full socialist/single-payer model, so you wouldn't get breadlines there.

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1. vidarh ◴[] No.12307025[source]
So your earlier comment is entirely irrelevant then, seeing as we're not talking about bread delivery, but delivery of healthcare, where - irrespective of whether we'd agree on the feasibility of efficient delivery of "singlepayer bread" - it has been conclusively proven by example that efficient delivery in a single payer model is possible.

In fact, not only is it possible, but almost every country in the world that has it does it cheaper than the US (depending on currency fluctuations, Norway is ironically one of the less than a handful of countries that is occasionally more expensive than the US - largely driven up by high salaries).

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2. skylan_q ◴[] No.12307054[source]
Ask yourself what those studies measure and if you can honestly consider those measures fair measures of quality, quantity and equity in providing care.

It usually boils down to $5,000 for surgery X in one country, $8,000 for same surgery in another. What an analysis like this always skips is the care that wasn't provided that should have been provided.

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3. vidarh ◴[] No.12307279[source]
The WHO ranking does not look at costs, but at overall health and treatment indicators.