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forbes ◴[] No.12171132[source]
Does any other country have a 'primary' system like the US? In Australia there is no pretending to elect candidates for each party. In our recent election we had two choices for PM from the major parties, chosen by the parties themselves.

In the US you spent a year choosing your candidates, but behind closed doors one of those parties spent all their time trying to push one candidate whilst the other party spent all their time trying to stop another.

The Australian system seems a little more honest, even though the roles of PM and President are quite different. We can elect a PM and the party can then choose to throw them out the week after. This happens frequently.

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Jedd ◴[] No.12171462[source]
I think the Australian system is broken in a different way.

As a fun exercise - review the AU constitution and find all the references to the role of PM.

Sean Kelly writing in TheMonthly(.com.au) recently observed after the last election:

"It’s a mistake to think that there is such a thing as the national will or the voice of the people that is somehow expressed through the electoral process, or that an election result can be construed strictly as approval or disapproval of a set of policies. People vote in all sorts of ways for all sorts of reasons – personal benefit, an attempt at dispassionate policy assessment, preference for individual politicians, habit – and the number of votes that decide any given election is always a small fraction of the population.

"If there’s one thing this election result has told us, it’s that the appeal of both major parties is still on the decline. Twenty-five percent of voters put neither Liberal nor Labor first; yet collectively they are only represented by 3% of the lower house and perhaps 11% of the senate. (Whether it makes sense to think of them collectively is a separate question.) That’s a quarter of the country who look at parliament and don’t see themselves represented."

From a purely leadership POV, US and AU have the same problem that >50% of people don't want the leader that they have - due primarily to the fixation of a) a single leadership role (bring back the triumvirates! :) and b) two-party politics.

When you're informed you only have two choices - you're probably not in a democracy.

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pas ◴[] No.12171638[source]
It's a bit strange to think of representation only if your candidate wins. By that definition representatives (PMs, members of the house, house reps, whatever they're called) would stop being representative the moment someone loses against them. And there are a lot of contested electoral districts. (Sadly there are quite a few uncontested ones too.)

The quality of representation is a different matter. But yes, (representative) democracy is broken. Just as any collective policy making strategy that requires an expert majority.

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1. tormeh ◴[] No.12175659[source]
The issue is that the representation in parliament is not proportional to the people. Proportional Repesentation solves this, at the cost of making politics more complex and mushy than just choosing between A and B. As a kid the spectacle of US elections (FPTP-ish) always fascinated me. Now I'm thankful for having a voting system that doesn't have a two-party system as only stable equilibrium.