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isuckatcoding ◴[] No.12171043[source]
Not to sound like a conspiracy nut but this just reinforces the idea of a corrupt (if not idiotic) US voting/election system.
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m_mueller ◴[] No.12171057[source]
> Not to sound like a conspiracy nut

The fact that you have to state that after being given this whole bunch of good evidence is a big part of the problem.

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isuckatcoding ◴[] No.12171106[source]
Well the way the America is currently going, I am not sure any amount of good factual evidence will matter.

I think John Oliver described it best in his video a couple of days back. People seem to be motivated by feelings, not facts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNdkrtfZP8I

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1. pdkl95 ◴[] No.12171185[source]
> motivated by feelings

While it was written for the creationism/evolution argument, this[1] article is one of the better descriptions of this mode of thought.

While the typical HN reader uses language to convey ideas, to the creationist or the RNC attendees on John Oliver's show language instead is used first for phatic expression and social hierarchy. This is a language barrier; one side argues facts, while the other side defers to authority and feelings. Before any real communication can happen between the two sides, you first have to solve the language barrier.

[1] http://scienceblogs.com/clock/2007/05/31/more-than-just-resi...

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2. Grishnakh ◴[] No.12182830[source]
Exactly. Another example of this was that debate a while ago between Ken Ham and Bill Nye the science guy, about evolution vs. creationism. No one actually "won" the debate; both sides claimed their guy won, because they were both speaking different languages. Nye spoke the language of science and everyone who has a scientific viewpoint of the world thought he won, whereas Ham spoke the language of fundamentalist religion and everyone who has that viewpoint thought he won.