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212 points DamienSF | 6 comments | | HN request time: 0.517s | source | bottom
1. natelaporte ◴[] No.12171014[source]
This is unacceptable. How can you be proud of cheating to win?
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3. emblem21 ◴[] No.12171098[source]
Can you not understand why people will do whatever it takes to get a shot at controlling the largest amount of nuclear weapons, the reserve currency that powers the world economy, the most technologically advanced military in world history, the world's most influential fourth/fifth estate, massive trade flows between 180+ nations, and unlimited impunity with the power to pardon anyone in your inner circle?

It's the kind of power where, upon victory, you can erase how you won.

4. mkhpalm ◴[] No.12171209[source]
As long as the constituency is ultimately unwilling to hold anybody responsible after the fact... it may suck, but its still a winning strategy.

The crux of the problem is that the majority of the voting public has been conditioned to treat their politics religiously. When people are organized as such, the diocese can do whatever it wants and label the collateral damage as heresy.

5. pnut ◴[] No.12175336[source]
My view of this is evolving, particularly in the context of a Presidential election.

There is zero fair play at that level of politics, and if you have been coddled on your path to that chair in any way, including expectations of the orderly and fair appraisal of the absolute merits of your platform, you are unprepared.

I'm saying that Clinton, with all her party machinations, is proving that she understands and has controls over real levers of power, which in turn, suggests she is capable of operating at the level required for that position.

Sanders came in expecting a fair fight, and that's completely unrealistic, naive, little league politics. If you can't survive your party's nominating process, whatever that is, you are a light snack for the players at that level.

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6. dragonwriter ◴[] No.12175365[source]
> Sanders came in expecting a fair fight

There are two senses of "expect", one about factual expectations (what you think will happen) and one about moral expectations (what you think should happen). There is plenty of efforts from Sanders efforts to impose accountability from very early on for variously ways the DNC seemed to be putting its finger on the scale that Sanders "expected" a fair fight in the second sense, and was prepared to fight to make the fight as fair as possible.

There's zero evidence I can see that Sanders "expected" a fair fight in the first sense, which is what you seem to be suggesting.