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takeda ◴[] No.11392296[source]
Surprised I don't see anyone else mentioning this.

This looks to me like typical Microsoft strategy that they utilized a lot 25 years ago.

1. when not leader in given market, make your product fully compatible with competitor

2. start gaining momentum (e.g. why should I use Linux, when on Windows I can run both Linux and Windows applications)

3. once becoming leader break up compatibility

4. rinse and repeat

Happened with MS-DOS, Word, Excel, Internet Explorer, and others.

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osweiller ◴[] No.11393408[source]
HN had a huge influx of developers who predominately (or only) work on the Microsoft platform, and it has been readily apparent in the stories that rise to the top, and the dominant reactions (e.g. cynical takes are quickly transparent. Exaggerated "this changes everything!" comments rise to the top). This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it does heavily slant the coverage and slant of the conversation.

And as you said, there is nothing new in this. The whole "hell freezes over" thing gets a bit old because Microsoft has done this same routine countless times before. When they are the underdog, seeing a fleeing userbase, etc, they pragmatically veer towards open and integrated. When they aren't, they close off and exploit. (see Microsoft's arrogance and hubris as they exalted in their success with the Xbox 360 -- early initiatives like XNA, their unloved community gaming thing...abandoned and left to die -- and now that they're losing with the Xbox One, once again that wonderfully open and accommodating company returns again. People pretend it's new.

Another example I would give is MSN Messenger -- Microsoft did a loud, public campaign, including taking out ads in newspapers, pushing an open messaging platform, interoperations, etc. Microsoft had just started to get into the messenger game, so of course they didn't want to be kept out via the network effect.

Then, of course, MSN gained users (being pushed on users, automatically configured, tends to do that). Microsoft made a complete 180 in approach. Soon they incorporated an expensive licensing program that third party apps had to use to interoperate with MSN Messenger, endlessly doing technical fixes to block third party access.

What happened to that gregarious, open and cooperative Microsoft that was taking out ads to implore AOL for blocking access? The situation changed, and suddenly it wasn't in their interest anymore.

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1. kayoone ◴[] No.11395450[source]
Only that all big Software or hardware companies do this... Apple keeps the doors closed to anything not in their full control, nvidia was pushing for open standards when they were the underdogs and now they have a lot of proprietary stuff, Google with Gtalk/Jabber etc etc. It's pretty ignorant to only paint MS that way imo. I also believe MS is a very different company today with a different strategy because they lost mobile. Maybe that changes again in the future but i worry a lot more about the direction apple is going.
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2. osweiller ◴[] No.11396262[source]
This thread and discussion is about Microsoft. Comments like yours -- these "cry for Microsoft...what about others!" are misdirected and totally out of context.

But if we really need to be juvenile and discuss everything to discuss anything, Apple is a greedy, voracious company. They are never presented otherwise, and cynicism meets all of their activities. But it's open and honest, and Apple doesn't try to be who they aren't, and users don't treat their actions as selfless gifts to the world. We all expect almost everything Google does to somehow pull in more ad data, to pull people to the fold, etc.

It's only with Microsoft where this naive "oooh, whole new company. So good" nonsense appears, and it grows incredibly tiring and seems more like a bad astroturfing campaign.

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3. TheRealDunkirk ◴[] No.11396327[source]
Stellar work, missing and proving the parent's point. Simply stellar.
4. kayoone ◴[] No.11400152[source]
I am a regular on HN and have a different impression, in that many people are much more critical towards MS while Apple/Google are generally the good guys. Apple is the savior of privacy while Google are the engineering wunderkinder. Even in the Xbox vs PS4 discussions MS is usually the bad privacy invading company in bed with NSA while Sony is the gamers best friend. To me it seems MS can do whatever they want, change as much as they want, they will never be "cool" while at the same time people gloss over Apples anti-competetive practices or Googles data collection obsession.