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Microsoft and Canonical partner to bring Ubuntu to Windows 10

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535 points raddad | 16 comments | 30 Mar 16 11:12 UTC | HN request time: 1.082s | source | bottom
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untog ◴[30 Mar 16 16:37 UTC] No.11390571[source]▶
Well, this has increased the changes of my next laptop being a Surface Book by around 100%. I already loved the form factor of the thing, but lack of bash was absolutely causing me to hesitate and wonder if I could justify doing all my work in a Linux VM or something (I can't).

I'm genuinely very tired of OS X, which (to my perception at least) has gotten steadily worse with every version. I for one will be happy to switch.

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1. dimgl ◴[30 Mar 16 16:44 UTC] No.11390649[source]▶
Really...? What would you change about OSX? I just switched from Windows to a Mac and I can't see myself ever going back...
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2. untog ◴[30 Mar 16 16:47 UTC] No.11390694[source]▶
Like I said, maybe it's my perception, but I've lost count of the number of times it has failed to connect to a Wi-Fi network, randomly crashed... it's been unable to connect to any links from http://t.co for months, for goodness sake (this has recently been fixed).

I think part of my objections are that OS X used to be absolutely rock solid, around the Snow Leopard era. An entire release dedicated just to tuning up the OS! Unheard of now - I will never install a new version until the x.1 patch is out, there are always huge bugs.

I don't expect Windows to be rock solid, I just don't expect it to be any worse than OS X any more.

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3. Osiris ◴[30 Mar 16 16:53 UTC] No.11390765[source]▶
I have far more issues with OS X than with Windows. I get kernel panics, waking from sleep crashes, weird issues with external monitors not being detected as connected, or worse, disconnected.

Windows also offers a lot more customizations than OS X.

However, there are things I like about OS X also, like spaces and multi-touch trackpad support.

I use both on a daily basis.

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4. vardump ◴[30 Mar 16 16:55 UTC] No.11390785[source]▶
Working SMB networking would be nice. Tired of mysterious issues. I can't remember a single time in past year when whole directory copy/move to SMB share succeeded. OS X just gives me these descriptive "error -51" or whatevers. (It's really mature (not!) of OSX to have that blue screen icon for SMB shares.)

Stable USB stack would be nice as well. Ever since El Capitan, virtual machines I run off USB drive have been getting random I/O timeouts.

OS X tends to need quite a bit more memory than Win10. Win10 is as usable on 2 GB RAM as OS X on 4 GB. OS X graphics driver is also pretty slow, some 30% slower than on Windows. OpenGL support is pretty bad on OS X.

On Windows 10 side my biggest issues are unstable (or temporarily unavailable) RDP and bluetooth stereo audio stuttering. RDP color accuracy leaves also a lot to be desired.

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5. berberous ◴[30 Mar 16 16:56 UTC] No.11390801[source]▶
I don't disagree that quality has dropped a bit lately, but I don't think your experience with OS X is typical. I have not had a kernel panic in years. Maybe time you did a clean install.
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6. vetinari ◴[30 Mar 16 17:00 UTC] No.11390848[source]▶
Funny, that it's SMB that I hate on Windows. With OSX or Linux its no problem to access shares with different credentials, no matter whether Windows server in AD or standalone samba-based NAS, while it is a major pita in Windows.
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7. vardump ◴[30 Mar 16 17:02 UTC] No.11390861{3}[source]▶
Odd. I think my issues might have something to do with file sizes. Maybe there are some issues with files over 2 GB or 4 GB. I don't know. I've just resorted to using FTP (ugh!) and USB drives to get files out of my OS X machines.
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8. balls187 ◴[30 Mar 16 17:06 UTC] No.11390912[source]▶
> I get kernel panics, waking from sleep crashes, weird issues with external monitors not being detected as connected, or worse, disconnected.

This is a real problem for me as well. Not enough to make me want to ditch my Mac, but it's a real PITB.

9. Washuu ◴[30 Mar 16 17:08 UTC] No.11390928[source]▶
The unstable USB stack is annoying. Before it was fixed in the latest OS update middle clicking with a USB mouse would cause the USB audio driver to segfault. Clicking too fast would end up with a kernel panic.
10. Osiris ◴[30 Mar 16 17:10 UTC] No.11390953{3}[source]▶
The panics I get are related to Thunderbolt, so I suspect it's an issue with the Thunderbolt kernel drivers. I run two external Apple Thunderbolt monitors and that's at the core of most of my issues.
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11. vetinari ◴[30 Mar 16 17:14 UTC] No.11390988{4}[source]▶
The network is OK? Are you connected over wifi? No packet loss?

And even though it is 3x3 MIMO, copying 20GB vm images is not something you want to do over wifi, so in the end I've got the Thunderbolt Ethernet adapter. Works like a charm, shorted the transfer by more than 10x.

SMB by itself never gave a problem (clean install of 11.0, then continuously updated to 11.4).

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12. TheOtherHobbes ◴[30 Mar 16 17:38 UTC] No.11391241{4}[source]▶
I run two external Thunderbolt monitors through a couple of cheap adaptor boxes and have never had a problem.

I suspect RAM issues. OS X isn't great if - say - Chrome eats all the memory. And if the RAM itself isn't rock solid, you will get crashes.

A lot of issues went away when I installed 32GB.

13. vardump ◴[30 Mar 16 17:41 UTC] No.11391297{5}[source]▶
11ac wifi. Usually connected at 702/780/867 Mbps. Works fine from Linux and Windows VMs running on OSX (and laptops).

Transfer speed after overhead over 11ac 867 Mbps wifi is usually 400+ Mbps.

No packet loss (or at least it's below 0.1%).

14. SpaceCadetJones ◴[30 Mar 16 18:05 UTC] No.11391535{4}[source]▶
This could very well be it. I was about to comment that I've been using OS X for about 10 years and I'm pretty sure I can count the number of kernel panics I've had on my fingers. Most of those happened a long time ago.
15. haldean ◴[30 Mar 16 19:26 UTC] No.11392205[source]▶
There's no Surface Pro equivalent for OSX (the iPad Pro not running a real OS is too bad), and Mac machines are crazy expensive for what's inside. At least, that's why I switched.
16. dimgl ◴[30 Mar 16 20:22 UTC] No.11392666[source]▶
I haven't had any bugs at all on El Capitan.