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iMark ◴[] No.10563710[source]
I'm not entirely sure how I would define my guiding motivation in life, but I swear "do no harm" would be part of it.

I despair at those who believe otherwise.

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user_0001 ◴[] No.10563736[source]
What about those who do harm in your name?
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iMark ◴[] No.10563820[source]
That's their choice not mine.

As much as I'm able to claim, I'd never advocate such.

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scrollaway ◴[] No.10564063[source]
And there stems the entire problem with islam from. A lot of people killing "in its name"; more often than not, where that is just abused as an ideology to rally more marginalized people to the cause.

We'll never be able to stop those that abuse religions and causes for political gain, but we can starve their number of "soldiers" by not giving impressionable people more reasons to hate a country.

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iMark ◴[] No.10564099[source]
I don't believe Islam is fundamentally different than Christianity. Present day interpretations aside, I believe both share a similar DNA.

I believe the solution is to look inward (as I've already, "do no harm"), rather than to condemn outwards.

And yes, I'm willing to concede the naiveté of my viewpoint.

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scrollaway ◴[] No.10564139{3}[source]
I agree, I hope my comment was not misinterpreted. Most muslims believe in "do no harm", and every single one I've talked to thinks those terrorists are the exact opposite of true muslims.

Those attacks done "in the name of islam" create islamophobic reactions from people. Media spreads this islamophobia further, to people who just trust whatever they see on TV. The climate grows to marginalize muslims further. The ones closest to the edge, who were surrounded by violence in the past (war climates) and are now surrounded by hatred from the country they live in, end up knowing only violence and seeking to be understood by their own violence.

The cycle of terrorism. We enable it. What can you do once you understand it? Tell other people? You'll be silenced. You'd get shit on on facebook. Attacked on twitter. Downvoted on reddit. HN is still a sane place but what % of the population does that really represent? Can it even make a change? And it's not like you wouldn't ever get downvoted here. There's a lot of people who believe in the direct "more immigrants = more terrorists" idiocy.

Today is such a fucking depressing day. Having to worry about my sister, my brother, my guild mates and on top of that seeing the attackers get exactly what they want: more fear. More knee-jerk reactions.

Let it fucking end...

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demallien ◴[] No.10564451{4}[source]
I'm not convinced that people linking immigrants and terrorism are particularly worried about the actual immigrants turning out to be terrorists in disguise. It's more a worry that they will just add to the ghettoisation of Islamic communities, which is precisely where this latest crop of French terrorists seem to have sprung from.
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scrollaway ◴[] No.10564466{5}[source]
> I'm not convinced that people linking immigrants and terrorism are particularly worried about the actual immigrants turning out to be terrorists in disguise.

You'd be really surprised. Your point is a valid one, but one I seldom see brought up - most people are just worried that for every 100 immigrants there's a couple of actual terrorists in the lot... Mostly because nobody's told them how stupid that notion is.

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mercurial ◴[] No.10565001{6}[source]
Well, it is possible that ISIS would try to infiltrate operators this way (in fact, they caught a convicted terrorist in Italy hiding as a refugee a few days ago).
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1. scrollaway ◴[] No.10565051{7}[source]
Possible, yes. Efficient, not really. If they don't get in this way they'll get in another way - closing down borders is about just as efficient as the ban on drugs at stoping drug cartels.
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2. mercurial ◴[] No.10565466[source]
I'm not disputing that, but I'm saying it's not an irrational concern.