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littletimmy ◴[] No.10563930[source]
The war on terror has been going on for 15 years now - are there more terrorists in 2000 or 2015?

Sooner or later, we will have to come to the realization that terrorism cannot be eliminated by force. Stop destabilizing Arab countries, stop imperial interference in Northern Africa, and perhaps we'll see an end to this nonsense.

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rythmshifter ◴[] No.10564135[source]
I'm curious, under what logic would this stop or get any better if we allow the cancer to grow?
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TeMPOraL ◴[] No.10564523[source]
War on Terror is causing the cancer.
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eva1984 ◴[] No.10564696[source]
So just give up and offer your good will???
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1. TeMPOraL ◴[] No.10564764[source]
Yes. Treat terror attacks as any other act of organized crime. It's stupid to do otherwise, given that the very point of terrorism is to make you do anything else.
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2. mercurial ◴[] No.10565786[source]
It's a bit more complex than that. We've reached the point where the Islamic State is a nation-state, which is at war with a number of other states (including France). In this context, how do you differentiate "terrorism" and "act of war"/"black ops action"?

I agree that an overreaction is likely, though considering how crazy the latest security law are, I don't see how much worse it can get in this regard.

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3. TeMPOraL ◴[] No.10565867[source]
> We've reached the point where the Islamic State is a nation-state, which is at war with a number of other states (including France).

Ok. So if it indeed can be attributed to them, or if they go out and admit, then fine, send in the tanks - the Paris attack would be an act of war.

> considering how crazy the latest security law are, I don't see how much worse it can get in this regard.

Oh it can. We have a long way to go from what we have now to what was in USSR or Nazi Germany. I just hope we don't decide to run the distance.

What worries me more is that the overrection will be aimed at immigrants and minorities who live in Europe. There already are reports of this beginning to happen.

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4. mercurial ◴[] No.10565918{3}[source]
> Ok. So if it indeed can be attributed to them, or if they go out and admit, then fine, send in the tanks - the Paris attack would be an act of war.

They claimed responsibility. As for sending in the tanks, I don't see that happening.

> Oh it can. We have a long way to go from what we have now to what was in USSR or Nazi Germany. I just hope we don't decide to run the distance.

Yeah, but neither were democracies. The Red Scare-era US would be a better example. I really hope it doesn't go this way.

> What worries me more is that the overrection will be aimed at immigrants and minorities who live in Europe. There already are reports of this beginning to happen.

Probably not from the government, but who knows what the population will do?