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Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say

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623 points franzb | 4 comments | 14 Nov 15 00:25 UTC | HN request time: 0.039s | source
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po1nter ◴[14 Nov 15 00:34 UTC] No.10563599[source]▶
According to iTele there are now 118 dead.

Edit: Now it's up to 140. What a sad day :(

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toyg ◴[14 Nov 15 00:42 UTC] No.10563630[source]▶
Reworded to avoid offence (hopefully): deaths are not irrelevant, but their exact precise number is irrelevant. What matters is the scale of the security failure, compounded by the fact that they suffered a similar one less than a year ago and they were currently on high-alert (because they've only just started bombing Syria).

The knowledge that a network could carry out such a widespread and well-coordinated attack without being preempted, in a situation of maximum alert, will heavy on the minds of any French citizen regardless of whether victims were 118 or 119. Basically, the French security system has been revealed as completely ineffective. That is a huge problem.

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1. chinathrow ◴[14 Nov 15 00:46 UTC] No.10563651[source]▶
No, the number of innocent killed people is never irrelevant. Every single dead person is one dead person too much. Full stop.

Edit: no need to further downvote as parent has changed his statement. Thanks parent poster.

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2. toyg ◴[14 Nov 15 00:50 UTC] No.10563668[source]▶
Of course. But by the same reasoning, there is no difference if there were 1 or 118 victims, which is my point. It's not about keeping score.
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3. chinathrow ◴[14 Nov 15 00:56 UTC] No.10563699[source]▶
If you agree that the number is not irrelevant, it would be very kind of you to revoke that statement. It's an insult to the dead and to the families of the dead. Thank you.

Edit: no need to further downvote as parent has changed his statement. Thanks parent poster.

4. rangibaby ◴[14 Nov 15 01:23 UTC] No.10563852[source]▶
This kind of thinking led to the War on Terror, which led to a rise in extreme Islam which led to...