←back to thread

276 points chei0aiV | 1 comments | | HN request time: 0.209s | source
Show context
pjc50 ◴[] No.10458874[source]
"System management mode" is a tremendous wart and should be removed wholesale, with Intel adopting a more ARM-style trusted boot chain with explicit cooperation from the OS or hypervisor. And while you're at it, kill UEFI and install a pony for me.

(Seriously, SMM serves either bizarre ILO features that high-end vendors like but are rarely used, or security agencies looking for a layer to hide in.)

replies(5): >>10459094 #>>10459158 #>>10459893 #>>10460557 #>>10462796 #
rwmj ◴[] No.10459158[source]
Actually ILO is pretty useful :-)

I have an APM (ARM64) Mustang, and this takes a rather different approach, but probably not one you'll think is better. The chip advertises 8 x 64 bit cores, but there's a 9th 32 bit core which runs all the time, even when the machine is powered down (although obviously still connected to mains power). It runs a separate firmware, in its own RAM, but can access the main memory at will and invisibly to the main OS.

One way to look at this is it's brilliant that we can just put a tiny Cortex-M3 in a spare bit of silicon and have it do useful management stuff.

replies(5): >>10459253 #>>10459344 #>>10460086 #>>10460423 #>>10462384 #
1. hornetblack ◴[] No.10462384[source]
I think x86 chips with Intel Active Management has the 'Management Engine' which runs an ARC processor with a ThreadX RTOS on it. It even has it's own network interface separate from the rest of the CPU. As far as I can tell this is for Enterprise users who need to manage the PC's and Rack computers remotely, even when the OS dies.

Most motherboard vendors also thrown stuff onto enterprise motherboards for doing things remotely. They can have issues: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZeUntdObCA