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hackuser ◴[] No.10299505[source]
'Vouching' will not improve the quality of HN discussions. It seems like the result of an excessive focus on fairness, something I see in many online communities. It affects only a few comments which are unlikely to be particularly valuable anyway.

The quality of discussions is what brings me to HN, and IMHO the quality is poor; it's just better than the alternatives. The vast majority of comments aren't worth my time (or anyone else's, but they can speak for themselves). In other words, there is much room for improvement and I hope that is Dan's focus. I happily would accept unfairness, and suffer its slings and arrows myself, for a higher signal-to-noise ratio. I'd happily lose a few good comments in return for of better quality overall (i.e., false-positives are not really a big deal - so what if my good comment occasionally gets voted down or otherwise buried).

By prioritizing quality over fairness HN can best distinguish itself from a million noise-filled alternatives where 'rights' are the priority. Everyone has a right to their opinions, but not to my time.

EDIT: Several edits to explain myself better.

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TeMPOraL ◴[] No.10304357[source]
> 'Vouching' will not improve the quality of HN discussions. It seems like the result of an excessive focus on fairness, something I see in many online communities. It affects only a few comments which are unlikely to be particularly valuable anyway.

I remember seeing cases when there was a post on HN, and the author of the posted content decided to chime in and accidentally got their account autokilled for spam. Vouching would help resolve such cases without having to explicitly involve moderators.

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1. dang ◴[] No.10306300[source]
Quite so, and that's specifically one of the things that prompted the feature. There are extra restrictions on (some) noob accounts because of past abuse by spammers and trolls. But when the creator of a project shows up in the thread about their work and their comments are auto-killed, that's a disaster for HN. There's only so much we can do to solve this with either software or moderation, but community members see right away what's going on. Letting them fix it seems like the obvious solution.

So far it seems to be helping! I haven't yet seen a case of the above getting fixed by vouching, but those are relatively rare.

Edit: we got one! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10306786. As soon as we see vouches on these we'll mark the account legit so future comments will be ok.