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hackuser ◴[] No.10299505[source]
'Vouching' will not improve the quality of HN discussions. It seems like the result of an excessive focus on fairness, something I see in many online communities. It affects only a few comments which are unlikely to be particularly valuable anyway.

The quality of discussions is what brings me to HN, and IMHO the quality is poor; it's just better than the alternatives. The vast majority of comments aren't worth my time (or anyone else's, but they can speak for themselves). In other words, there is much room for improvement and I hope that is Dan's focus. I happily would accept unfairness, and suffer its slings and arrows myself, for a higher signal-to-noise ratio. I'd happily lose a few good comments in return for of better quality overall (i.e., false-positives are not really a big deal - so what if my good comment occasionally gets voted down or otherwise buried).

By prioritizing quality over fairness HN can best distinguish itself from a million noise-filled alternatives where 'rights' are the priority. Everyone has a right to their opinions, but not to my time.

EDIT: Several edits to explain myself better.

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1. pcunite ◴[] No.10299594[source]
Something that Arstechnica does that I really like is that it shows you the up/down count on an individual comment. It allows you to see the struggle and you can make a decision based on that to help it out.
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2. scribu ◴[] No.10300125[source]
I'm having a hard time seeing how voting based on "the struggle" would help increase the quality of the discussion (compared to voting based on the actual merit of the comment).
3. URSpider94 ◴[] No.10300455[source]
HN used to do that, and they took it away, presumably because it was engendering cooperative behavior (piling on, counter-voting to be part of "the struggle", etc.)
4. scrollaway ◴[] No.10301075[source]
As a frequent commenter on both reddit and HN, the hidden vote counts on HN are far better. Coupled with fresh comments showing up at the top sometimes, they remove most parts of the mob mentality that goes on on reddit.