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userbinator ◴[] No.10040344[source]
Mozilla's hypocrisy is astounding:

https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2013/01/29/putting-users-i...

"Users should have the choice of what software and plugins run on their machine."

https://blog.mozilla.org/theden/2014/12/15/introducing-a-sma...

"Firefox is dedicated to putting users in control of their online experience"

More recently:

https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2015/06/02/firefox-puts-you-in...

"Firefox Puts You in Control of Your Online Life".

The slogan, as found on https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/ , is now "Firefox is created by a global non-profit dedicated to putting individuals in control online." I believe it used to be "users" - see above - but was silently changed. I suppose these "individuals" are the people at Mozilla...?

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SkatAndRap ◴[] No.10040472[source]
Firefox users see through this feel-good marketing nonsense from Mozilla.

They've seen Firefox's UI change for the worse in so many ways, even in the face of wide opposition.

They've seen unwanted bloat, like Hello and Pocket, forced upon them, again in the face of wide opposition.

They've seen their requests for bug fixes and performance improvements go unheeded, sometimes for years.

The easy use of extensions has been the only thing keeping many of these people using Firefox. They've been using many extensions to undo, as much as is possible, the unwanted changes that Mozilla has made.

I use Firefox Nightly, and was recently surprised when, after an update, some custom extensions I had written myself were not loading, and could not be easily enabled. When I found out it was due to this, and I had to start adjusting about:config settings, it was nearly the last straw for me.

I don't want to use another browser, but it's like Mozilla is doing everything in its power to make using Firefox a bad experience for me. I know I'm not alone. We've already seen Firefox' share of the browser market drop from well over 30% to a level of around 10% today, if it isn't actually lower than that.

It's truly sad to see what's happening to what was once such a great browser.

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TazeTSchnitzel ◴[] No.10040498[source]
Some people hate the UI changes. A lot of people are just fine with them.

Hello and Pocket are just two buttons in a toolbar which you can remove.

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1. gajjanag ◴[] No.10040704[source]
True. However what I have found in general is that I have been spending more and more time tweaking and fiddling Firefox to make it work the way I want it to, i.e similar to the way it was in the past with no Pocket for instance.

It is really annoying to have to watch the Firefox news and other channels to get this kind of information, reason about it, and then make my choice regarding what to do.

Browsers for me are a tool to get my work done, and I don't want to spend my time shaping my browser every time some people in Mozilla decide to change something.

There are two solutions I see: 1. The cynical/pessimistic one: the web is broken, all browsers fail to various extents, and one needs to pick one's poison - Firefox is the least of evils, hence I will continue using it with increasing dissatisfaction.

2. The optimistic one: Firefox and Mozilla will eventually get back on track, and revisit their old values - I find this harder to believe as time passes by.