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1. a_bonobo ◴[] No.46186600[source]
> to accurately prepopulate tax returns for around 45% of Americans. (Those other countries have much simpler tax codes than we do.)

One should note that the cited study quotes the 45% from a 1992 study. These days, with gig economy and quasi-self-employment, that number is probably higher since you don't have an employer who reports your income for you.

Still, here in Australia, where we have the return-free tax system, adding what you earned from your various gig jobs isn't too hard: you add that as items to the web form: 'I made 15,123 from Uber Eats'. That just gets added to your overall return. I don't see how that's so hard compared to the US?

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2. lbotos ◴[] No.46186654[source]
In the states if you are a contractor there are tons of things that you can deduct from your taxable income. So “figuring out how much you should be taxed” is after those deductions.

If uber paid you $15123 but you:

Just bought a new bike bc your other was stolen

You paid $1200 for insurance

You bought a helmet and cold weather clothes etc etc.

Those things reduce your taxable income.

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3. a_bonobo ◴[] No.46186695[source]
Yes, same in Australia. Keep receipts and add the cost to the web form.

They have simplified it nicely, though: if you work from home you can claim a per-hour deduction so you don't have to do the math of wear-and-tear, electricity, internet etc. I think it was $0.6 per hour?

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4. chemotaxis ◴[] No.46187045[source]
I think that's common in most places. What's different in the US is that the IRS forces you to proactively provide a lot more information about it, though. I have a rental property and need to enter the same information about the same income and expenses on three different forms, breaking it down in different ways. It's tedious and error-prone, and I guess the philosophy is that it's easier to spot fraud if the numbers on all the different forms don't add up to a coherent story.

Other countries presumably rely on other fraud signals. They might have more visibility into your day-to-day financial transactions, or there might be more of a culture of leaving an anonymous tip if you suspect your neighbor isn't paying a fair share.

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5. oklahomasports ◴[] No.46187676{3}[source]
What three forms are you talking about?
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6. twoodfin ◴[] No.46187845[source]
Income reporting is not the problem: Anyone paying you any significant amount of money is required to file with the IRS, including if you’re paying yourself.

The issue is the broad range of deductions and credits that depend on things like the composition of your household and your primary residence. Contra some expectations, the IRS does not keep a database of who’s shacking up with whom, where, or if kids are in the picture.

7. chemotaxis ◴[] No.46188573{4}[source]
4562, 8825, 1065
8. Ekaros ◴[] No.46189540{3}[source]
Finland did that even simpler more than 50% of work days you get 750€. Ofc, hard part is to calculate 50% of your internet bill. And then any technology you buy for remote work. Not chair, desk or lamps though, those are in the room part...

Thankfully(\s), they are simplifying it even further next year and removing whole thing. Now you only get to deduct money if you actually rent an office...