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    1. markus_zhang ◴[] No.46177681[source]
    Can Germans elaborate on this? I have heard some stories but I don’t know the truth of them.
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    2. embedding-shape ◴[] No.46177698[source]
    > What I didn't see were any young Germans

    Seems ~20% of the population are immigrants (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg#Demographics), some of the people you saw are Germans and some of them are not, but I think the main confusing part is how you mix up how someone looks and what nationality they have. I think maybe you're trying to say "white" instead, but for some reason avoided using that word?

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    3. Angostura ◴[] No.46177721[source]
    For anyone wondering just over

    84% of the German population is ethnically German, so the commenter above was probably spectacularly unlucky. They are right though in that it is an aging population with only around 13% under 16.

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    4. throwaway89201 ◴[] No.46177796[source]
    > Looking at it now, German TFR has been well below replacement for nearly 60 years, so I suppose it makes sense.

    That's really dumb. It's not that hard to look up population statistics [1]. Without having to say anything on the validity of your last paragraph (I'd have to apply Hanlon's razor before I would be able to argue in good faith), it really has nothing to do with your random tourist observation. There are very much 'white' children (which you probably meant to say, but didn't for some reason) running around in Nuremberg (not "Nuremburg").

    [1] https://www.nuernberg.de/imperia/md/statistik/dokumente/vero...

    5. throw310822 ◴[] No.46177800[source]
    It is probable though that the younger generations are much more ethnically diverse than that 84% would suggest. That is, a lot more than 16% of the youth is from immigrant background.
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    6. constantcrying ◴[] No.46177887[source]
    Yes, many parts of German cities have a majority of non-germans. This is not uncommon, it doesn't help that the minority of the German youth in those areas is integrating themselves into the immigrant culture.

    >The German government is one of the few on Earth that seems to actually hate its native populace.

    They certainly don't hate the pensioners or the people on welfare. Just the native youth, which will have to bear the burden for all of this, but does not get to decide.

    7. venturecruelty ◴[] No.46177925[source]
    Something tells me that the only people wandering the streets at 2:00 PM on a weekday are vacationing from other countries. Next you'll tell me that whi- I mean, "good, old-fashioned Americans" are disappearing because you went to Times Square and couldn't hear any English. Please don't do this here.
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    8. type0 ◴[] No.46177928[source]
    > I think maybe you're trying to say "white" instead

    Not sure what you are babbling about but, It's about ethnicity and not race. Plenty of third generation Turks still don't consider themselves German, then someone with black skin adopted as a child might consider themself German, it's about culture not race, we're not in last century anymore. Proportion of young people with immigrant background is high in many Westeuropean countries, if they don't integrate into society they won't be willing to defend it.

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    9. Angostura ◴[] No.46178121{3}[source]
    Or it could have been like that time I was in Harlem in the 80s and concluded that America was almost entirely black
    10. refurb ◴[] No.46180324[source]
    Holy population pyramid Batman!!

    87% of the overall population, yet only 13% of the child. That’s a stark difference.

    But the comment reminds me of an observation in SE Asia - go to Singapore and very few kids and tons of senior citizens.

    Then go to Vietnam and its most people in their 20’s and younger. It’s a difference you can’t help but notice.

    And since Singapore is extremely selective about who they give citizenship too, they’re really struggling with the age pyramid. I believe the estimate is it will be 2 workers for every retired person by 2030.

    11. refurb ◴[] No.46180332[source]
    Do you always see the racial boogeyman in every shadow?
    12. fabianholzer ◴[] No.46180857[source]
    Yes, the billboard advertisement part is true. But billboards in Germany are fewer and smaller than in other parts of the world. And the Bundeswehr ad campaign is nothing that will convince anyone who would not be convinced otherwise already. If you notice the ads as a German citizen at all, you'll most likely shrug, or ask your self: Since. When. Is. It. Ok. To. Pretend. A. Single. Word. Forms. A. Sentence? (for context: the ad says "Wir. Dienen. Deutschland." which translates verbatim as "We. Serve. Germany." - which, if my English as a second language grammar knowledge does not fail me, would also make no grammatical sense in English.

    As for the rest, of course you see quite a few people that do not look like the von Trapp family singers, or whatever shaped your stereotype of how ethnic Germans are supposed to look like. Apropos ethnic Germans, historically we happen to be a two digit number of distinct tribes anyhow, and it still is suprisingly easy to piss one of the natives off by confusing them for a member of the wrong tribe. But I am digressing.

    What I can say, all ethnicity questions cast aside, the governments in the time that I am following the news (the very late Kohl era), which have been nine different now, are all quite the same in one way: kicking the can down the road and pulling up the ladder from above. The state/society/economy I grew up in had quite some substance of which it could coast off for some time.

    But as with all things that go down south: Gradually, then suddenly.

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    13. gkoz ◴[] No.46180867{3}[source]
    It's plain to see that it's the racists who aren't integrated and properly socialized, not the people "with a background".
    14. Amezarak ◴[] No.46181098[source]
    "German" does not mean "white" anymore than "Bantu" means "black."

    French people, Slavic peoples, and Irish people living in Germany do not become ethnically German because they are white, and it's obvious that in any nation-state it would be reasonable to be surprised if the vast majority of people were not members of the ethnicity that formed the nation-state.

    15. markus_zhang ◴[] No.46181232{3}[source]
    Thanks! I hope everything goes well for you. Might bring my kid for a visit in the future as my cousin studies music in one of the best schools there.
    16. embedding-shape ◴[] No.46182050{3}[source]
    > Plenty of third generation Turks still don't consider themselves German, then someone with black skin adopted as a child might consider themself German

    You seem to exactly know what I'm babbling about. Parent commentator somehow confused "looks like" for "is citizen of", something you seem to grasp perfectly well.

    For all we know, 100% of the people the parent saw were actually "Young Germans", as you cannot tell people's nationality by just looking at them. Unless of course, "Young Germans" is actually referring to something else, not people's nationality.