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    1741 points meetpateltech | 12 comments | 05 Dec 25 12:21 UTC | HN request time: 0.198s | source | bottom
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    jodrellblank ◴[05 Dec 25 17:50 UTC] No.46164701[source]▶
    Off topic, but I am boggled that Larry Ellison came back to “richest man in the world” this year.

    For all the enormous Reach of Facebook adverts, Apple, Microsoft breadth of products, Tesla and SpaceX and Twitter, Amazon’s massive cloud dominance, the AI boom for nVidia…

    Oracle?!

    “On September 10, 2025, Ellison was briefly the wealthiest person in the world, with an estimated net worth of US$393 billion.

    In June 2020, Ellison was reported to be the seventh-wealthiest person in the world, with a net worth of $66.8 billion”

    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Ellison

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    1. mNovak ◴[05 Dec 25 18:11 UTC] No.46164989[source]▶
    People don't seem to realize that Oracle is deep in the AI play, taking on a bunch of debt to make speculative leases and buildout of datacenters to rent to other players.

    It's been great for them so far, but if there's an AI winter, Oracle will be the first to freeze.

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    2. unsui ◴[05 Dec 25 18:42 UTC] No.46165420[source]▶
    > Oracle will be the first to freeze

    one can hope

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    3. xattt ◴[05 Dec 25 18:47 UTC] No.46165490[source]▶
    Will this somehow liberate ZFS?
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    4. legitronics ◴[05 Dec 25 18:57 UTC] No.46165647{3}[source]▶
    It’ll just make their auditors and legal team desperate for money, which is kinda horrifying to consider.
    5. throw0101d ◴[05 Dec 25 19:06 UTC] No.46165777{3}[source]▶
    How does ZFS need to be liberated?
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    6. an0malous ◴[05 Dec 25 19:06 UTC] No.46165787[source]▶
    Isn’t that all from the one OpenAI deal they made 5 months ago?
    7. daretorant ◴[05 Dec 25 19:42 UTC] No.46166284[source]▶
    Random but this is a very well written line:

    > It's been great for them so far, but if there's an AI winter, Oracle will be the first to freeze.

    Kudos

    8. tosti ◴[05 Dec 25 19:44 UTC] No.46166305{4}[source]▶
    They took the entire Solaris code back to proprietary source and kept improving ZFS themselves. For instance, they added encryption.
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    9. limagnolia ◴[05 Dec 25 20:25 UTC] No.46166785{4}[source]▶
    There is debate as to whether the FreeZFS license (CDDL) is compatible with the GPL, which is why FreeZFS is not part of the Linux Kernel. Some distros are baking it in, but there has long been concern about if merging it violates the license or not.
    10. johncolanduoni ◴[05 Dec 25 20:56 UTC] No.46167188{3}[source]▶
    It could make it worse. IP from companies that got chopped up and sold for parts can be a nightmare. You may have to do deals with multiple parties, and it can be unclear who owns what (even to the potential owners themselves).
    11. johncolanduoni ◴[05 Dec 25 20:58 UTC] No.46167223{5}[source]▶
    Even if Oracle evaporated and their contemporary ZFS source became unencumbered, I doubt OpenZFS would want to try and merge significantly parts. They already have their own encryption implementation for example.
    12. throw0101d ◴[07 Dec 25 22:43 UTC] No.46186068{5}[source]▶
    > They took the entire Solaris code back to proprietary source and kept improving ZFS themselves.

    And OpenZFS/Linux/FreeBSD kept improving ZFS as well.

    > For instance, they added encryption.

    As did OpenZFS.