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    1. Eduard ◴[] No.46155627[source]
    I'm surprised AV1 usage is only at 30%. Is AV1 so demanding that Netflix clients without AV1 hardware acceleration capabilities would be overwhelmed by it?
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    2. adgjlsfhk1 ◴[] No.46155659[source]
    There are a lot of 10 year old TVs/fire sticks still in use that have a CPU that maxes out running the UI and rely exclusively on hardware decoding for all codecs (e.g. they couldn't hardware decode h264 either). Image a super budget phone from ~2012 and you'll have some idea the hardware capability we're dealing with.
    3. FrostKiwi ◴[] No.46155662[source]
    Thanks to libdav1d's [1] lovingly hand crafted SIMD ASM instructions it's actually possible to reasonably playback AV1 without hardware acceleration, but basically yes: From Snapdragon 8 onwards, Google Tensor G3 onwards, NVIDIA RTX 3000 series onwards. All relatively new .

    [1] https://code.videolan.org/videolan/dav1d

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    4. eru ◴[] No.46155664[source]
    If you are on a mobile device, decoding without hardware assistance might not overwhelm the processors directly, but it might drain your battery unnecessarily fast?
    5. boterock ◴[] No.46155690[source]
    tv manufacturers don't want high end chips for their tv sets... hardware decoding is just a way to make cheaper chips for tvs.
    6. snvzz ◴[] No.46155724[source]
    Even RISC-V vector assembly[0].

    0. https://code.videolan.org/videolan/dav1d/-/issues/435

    7. jeffparsons ◴[] No.46156252[source]
    It's possible without specific hardware acceleration, but murderous for mobile devices.
    8. johncolanduoni ◴[] No.46156340[source]
    Compression gains will mostly be for the benefit of the streaming platform’s bills/infra unless you’re trying to stream 4K 60fps on hotel wifi (or if you can’t decode last-gen codecs on hardware either ). Apparently streaming platforms still favor user experience enough to not heat their rooms for no observable improvement. Also a TV CPU can barely decode a PNG still in software - video decoding of any kind is simply impossible.
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    10. dd_xplore ◴[] No.46157308[source]
    They would be served h.265
    11. MaxL93 ◴[] No.46157983[source]
    I'd love to watch Netflix AV1 streams but they just straight up don't serve it to my smart TV or my Windows computers despite hardware acceleration support.

    The only way I can get them to serve me an AV1 stream is if I block "protected content IDs" through browser site settings. Otherwise they're giving me an H.264 stream... It's really silly, to say the least

    12. solarkraft ◴[] No.46161132[source]
    Absolutely. Playing back any video codec is a terrible experience without acceleration.
    13. solarkraft ◴[] No.46161149[source]
    > Apparently streaming platforms still favor user experience enough to not heat their rooms for no observable improvement

    It’s more like “why does Netflix kill my battery within an hour when I used to be able to play for 20”