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305 points gastonmorixe | 3 comments | 12 Nov 25 07:56 UTC | HN request time: 0.485s | source
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imglorp ◴[12 Nov 25 12:02 UTC] No.45899116[source]▶
The project has been hungry for years.

There was a fork to clean up and secure the implementation: https://ntpsec.org and ideally they would combine forces.

Summarized here: https://lwn.net/Articles/713901

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tptacek ◴[12 Nov 25 13:36 UTC] No.45899958[source]▶
Yeah the ntpsec story, not great. I don't believe they're taken especially seriously. There are people close to Harlan Stenn who believe the project is essentially fraudulent.
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BigTTYGothGF ◴[12 Nov 25 13:47 UTC] No.45900118[source]▶
> the project is essentially fraudulent

Even if it's not, ESR is involved so it's not serious.

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1. imglorp ◴[12 Nov 25 19:14 UTC] No.45904722[source]▶
So, I understand first hand ESR might be a little, uh, eccentric, when dealing with humans.

But it seems that his nerding, taken by itself, is pretty solid. Is that not the case?

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2. tptacek ◴[12 Nov 25 22:07 UTC] No.45907497[source]▶
No, I don't think it is.
3. acdha ◴[12 Nov 25 22:48 UTC] No.45907979[source]▶
It’s fairly limited: taking over maintenance for popmail or forking NTPSec certainly isn’t nothing but his reputation is built on the Cathedral and Bazaar essay getting attention at the right time in the 90s when open source was really taking off and his subsequent OSI work. I’d wager that an order of magnitude more people heard about fetchmail from his writing rather than the other way around.

That’s not to say that his open source projects aren’t useful, only that there are thousands of other developers who’ve done work of similar scale and adoption.