Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

> It's not really clear why they need this money either?

Really? The sentence at the top of the Donate page seems pretty clear to me:

> Your donation helps Network Time Foundation maintain the NTP website and provide resources and support to NTP developers.

Is it unclear to you?

It is kind of vague IMO. Especially since most of the actual NTP infrastructure is run by governments, universities, and companies.

https://gist.github.com/mutin-sa/eea1c396b1e610a2da1e5550d94...

But..it's $1k. This is basically pocket change on an institutional level. I've been part of some very scrappy and poorly funded community organizations and even they took in more than $1k every year. Even if you don't believe NTP maintainers should be paid anything for their work (an opinion I don't hold), it's trivial to spend this amount on modest everyday expenses like renting a venue a couple of times, buying insurance, and paying for hosting and technical resources.

EDIT: Here is their 2024 tax return

https://www.nwtime.org/about/documents/2024_NTF_IRS_990.pdf

It looks like they took in more than $200k and spent $100k on "contract services" (I can't tell what that means) and somewhat modest amounts on other things. Unfortunately I need to exit the rabbit hole now.

> It is kind of vague IMO.

How much more clear can they reasonably be?

It seems a big waste of effort to maintain -say- a damnable Trello board with upcoming priorities and roadmaps <strike>and Kickstarter stretch goals</strike> when their bug tracker and mailing list are visible to the public. (Though, it seems that they've recently put the list behind some broken moderation software, so you have to go to -say- the IETF's archive of the thing to read it. "AI" crawlers ruin everything.)

EDIT: Do note that that tax return you found is for the Network Time Foundation, not the NTP Project. I don't know if the two are separate entities for tax purposes, but do note that the NTF supports several projects, of which the NTP Project is one. The NTP Project is just for NTP.

We're talking about $1000. In context i would assume its their hosting bill.

I can't imagine its much more than that if we are talking about such a small sum.

a website doesn't need $1000

and $1000 seems at the same time to be quite a bit of money, but also too little to be for funding people long term.

It doesn't explain why they need the money "we need the money to continue doing what we are doing" means nothing unless they also explain what they are doing and why it matters.

Thankfully, that's also on the front page:

What they are doing:

> The NTP Project produces an open source Reference Implementation of the NTP standard, maintains the implementation Documentation, and develops the protocol and algorithmic standard that is used to communicate time between systems

And why it matters:

> NTP is what ensures the reliability of billions of devices around the world, under the sea, and even in space

Now, it doesn't explain why a reference implementation is a good thing, but I think that at this point, you have a good enough idea to decide if you want to donate or not.

Edit: However, $1000 seems too low to matter. It may not even pay for the expense of the fundraising itself. I think it is more of an awareness campaign: "look at the protocol we all use, you would think we are talking many millions of dollars, but the truth is, you are off by orders of magnitude"