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phkahler ◴[] No.45891830[source]
From TFA this was telling:

Thus, as Mark Atwood, an open source policy expert, pointed out on Twitter, he had to keep telling Amazon to not do things that would mess up FFmpeg because, he had to keep explaining to his bosses that “They are not a vendor, there is no NDA, we have no leverage, your VP has refused to help fund them, and they could kill three major product lines tomorrow with an email. So, stop, and listen to me … ”

I agree with the headline here. If Google can pay someone to find bugs, they can pay someone to fix them. How many time have managers said "Don't come to me with problems, come with solutions"

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skrebbel ◴[] No.45891966[source]
How could ffmpeg maintainers kill three major AWS product lines with an email?
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zxspectrum1982 ◴[] No.45891984[source]
Easy: ffmpeg discontinues or relicenses some ffmpeg functionality that AWS depends on for those product alines and AWS is screwed. I've seen that happen in other open source projects.
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NewsaHackO ◴[] No.45892103[source]
But if it gets relicensed, they would still be able to use the current version. Amazon definitely would be able to fund an independent fork.
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deaddodo ◴[] No.45894578[source]
And then the argument for refusing to just pay ffmpeg developers gets even more flimsy.

The entire point here is to pay for the fixes/features you keep demanding, else the project is just going to do as it desires and ignore you.

More and more OSS projects are getting to this point as large enterprises (especially in the SaaS/PaaS spheres) continue to take advantage of those projects and treat them like unpaid workers.

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zdragnar ◴[] No.45895750[source]
Not really. Their whole reason for not funding open source is it essentially funds their competitors who use the same projects. That's why they'd rather build a closed fork in-house than just hand money to ffmpeg.

It's a dumb reason, especially when there are CVE bugs like this one, but that's how executives think.

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1. Kim_Bruning ◴[] No.45896076{4}[source]
But their competitors also fund them, which makes it a net positive sum.