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derbOac ◴[] No.45766747[source]
They couldn't answer the question most on my mind: "We’ve reached out to Google to inquire about why a custom ROM created by volunteers is more resistant to industrial phone hacking than the official Pixel OS. We’ll update this article if Google has anything to say."
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IncreasePosts ◴[] No.45777056[source]
Is grapheheOS actually harder to hack or does cellebrite just not put a lot of effort into supporting it because the very low odds of LEs running into one in the wild?
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zb3 ◴[] No.45777144[source]
It physically disables USB ports when locked which significantly reduces the attack surface + can be configured to automatically reboot.
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fph ◴[] No.45777712[source]
Two fixes that would be trivial to backport to mainline Android.
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ls612 ◴[] No.45777836[source]
iOS already does both of this afaik. At least the automatic reboot part, I think the USB data functionality is disabled in some cases while locked too.
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int0x29 ◴[] No.45777949[source]
iOS is also compromised according to other cellebrite docs so that makes me think Graphene OS just might not be worth the effort for them.
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ls612 ◴[] No.45777984[source]
iOS was hackable in 2024 for certain hardware (in particular the checkm8 era phones) or for iOS versions which had known vulns at that point. Modern hardware with updates was still listed as “in research” which means “we can’t”.
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int0x29 ◴[] No.45778484[source]
The last leak was in 2024. Hopefully somone nabs the latest iOS release information

Edit: last released leak showed they had broken the then most recent iOS release (17.5.1) in AFU state on all but the most recent hardware which was marked "available in CAS"

https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/14344-cellebrite-premium-ju...

The good news is neither pixel nor iOS seems to show full file system extract under BFU state in the recent tables I can find.

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strcat ◴[] No.45779351[source]
February 2025 documentation was posted by someone in that thread and a blog post was written by someone about it which was linked there. The initial link posted with the February 2025 documentation died and the blog post only focuses on Android and GrapheneOS rather than iOS too.

GrapheneOS has access to the latest Cellebrite Premium documentation since we have a contact able to share it with us. In April 2024 and then July 2024, we posted screenshots of specific capability tables from the documentation but then stopped doing it because it could result in losing access to it. The contact sharing it with us was still fine with us doing it but later came to the same conclusion we did that it's best not to post anything from it. Cellebrite doesn't like it being posted publicly even though it's essentially marketing their products, probably because it results in pressure on Android and iOS to stop it happening.

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1. oddmiral ◴[] No.45785334[source]
Any info on recent ban of SafeDot by Android and GOS? Any plans to implement SafeDot as an official GOS app?
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2. int0x29 ◴[] No.45785485[source]
Isn't that now a native android function?
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3. oddmiral ◴[] No.45786385[source]
A little green dot? No, it's a small fraction of SafeDot functionality. I'm interested in audible notification when camera, mic, or gps is accessed. Currently, I cannot make it work on GOS (maybe, may phone is hacked).
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4. oddmiral ◴[] No.45788515{3}[source]
It works properly again after post on HN. :-/