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asimops ◴[] No.45776925[source]
While it is technically feasible, it is not a good idea to try and find a technical solution to a people/organisation problem.

Do not accept the premise of assholes.

I hope we can get the EU to fund a truly open Android Fork. Maybe under some organisation similar to NL Labs.

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Furthermore, the need for a trustworthy binary to be auditable to a certain hash or something would make banning this a simple task if Google would want to go that route.

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closeparen ◴[] No.45778511[source]
The same EU that's doing Chat Control?
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exe34 ◴[] No.45779799[source]
The EU is a big place, run by a lot of different people, with true separation of powers. They don't have a president-king who can just ignore court decisions.
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jmnicolas ◴[] No.45780320[source]
So we're gonna get access to Von Der Layen Pfizer sms right?

Were you offered to vote for Von Der Layen by the way?

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Certhas ◴[] No.45780532{3}[source]
The EU is a parliamentary democracy. Von Der Leyen was proposed by the democratically elected heads of the member states. She was approved by the democratically elected parliament.

The chancellor in Germany is also not directly elected by majority vote but by parliament.

Its a reasonable criticism that the EU structures make democratic legitimisation very indirect, but that is at least partly a result of the EU being a club of sovereign democracies. The central tension was extremely evident during the Greek debt crisis, you have a change in government in Greece, but due to EU level constraints they can't enact a change in policy. More independent power ininstitutions less dependent on the member state, means the sovereign democratic national governments can't act on their local democratic mandates.

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wqaatwt ◴[] No.45781120{4}[source]
> The EU is a parliamentary democracy

Except the are a couple degrees of separation between the democracy part and in the running the EU institutions.

The EU parliament is also a very superficial imitation of a real parliament in a democratic state. It has very limited say in forming the “government” or decision making.

> result of the EU being a club of sovereign democracies

So either revert to it just being a trade union or implement fully democratic federal institutions. The in between isn’t really working that well.

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saubeidl ◴[] No.45781208{5}[source]
> Except the are a couple degrees of separation between the democracy part and in the running the EU institutions.

That's what parliamentary democracy means, yes.

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wqaatwt ◴[] No.45781242{6}[source]
No, of course not...

In parliamentary democracies the parliament is elected directly and is generally sovereign (optionally constrained by a constitution or some set of basic laws and powers delegated to regional governments and such).

In no way does that describe the EU. It has no equivalent body. Its imitation “parliament” is extremely weak and barely has a say in who forms the closest EU has to a “government”.

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1. Certhas ◴[] No.45784032{7}[source]
The parliament approves and dismisses the commission.

In the last cycles the candidate who led the party who won the parliamentary elections became head of commission.

So this is just wrong. The EU parliament has more power than US Congress or the UK parliament in this respect.