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EastLondonCoder ◴[] No.45770007[source]
After a 2 year Clojure stint I find it very hard to explain the clarity that comes with immutability for programmers used to trigger effects with a mutation.

I think it may be one of those things you have to see in order to understand.

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rendaw ◴[] No.45770924[source]
I think the explanation is: When you mutate variables it implicitly creates an ordering dependency - later uses of the variable rely on previous mutations. However, this is an implicit dependency that isn't modeled by the language so reordering won't cause any errors.

With a very basic concrete example:

x = 7

x = x + 3

x = x / 2

Vs

x = 7

x1 = x + 3

x2 = x1 / 2

Reordering the first will have no error, but you'll get the wrong result. The second will produce an error if you try to reorder the statements.

Another way to look at it is that in the first example, the 3rd calculation doesn't have "x" as a dependency but rather "x in the state where addition has already been completed" (i.e. it's 3 different x's that all share the same name). Doing single assignment is just making this explicit.

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ape4 ◴[] No.45771937[source]
I would be nicer if you gave x1 and x2 meaningful names
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catlifeonmars ◴[] No.45772547[source]
What would those names be in this example?
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ape4 ◴[] No.45775677[source]
In a real application meaningful names are nearly always possible, eg:

    const pi = 3.1415926
    const 2pi = 2 * pi
    const circumference = 2pi * radius
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1. catlifeonmars ◴[] No.45777010[source]
Agree in real life you can come up with meaningful names (and should when the names are used far away from the point of assignment), but it doesn’t make sense for GPs example, where the whole point was to talk about assignments in the abstract.