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bakql ◴[] No.45775259[source]
>These were scrapers, and they were most likely trying to non-consensually collect content for training LLMs.

"Non-consensually", as if you had to ask for permission to perform a GET request to an open HTTP server.

Yes, I know about weev. That was a travesty.

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Calavar ◴[] No.45775392[source]
I agree. It always surprises me when people are indignant about scrapers ignoring robots.txt and throw around words like "theft" and "abuse."

robots.txt is a polite request to please not scrape these pages because it's probably not going to be productive. It was never meant to be a binding agreement, otherwise there would be a stricter protocol around it.

It's kind of like leaving a note for the deliveryman saying please don't leave packages on the porch. It's fine for low stakes situations, but if package security is of utmost importance to you, you should arrange to get it certified or to pick it up at the delivery center. Likewise if enforcing a rule of no scraping is of utmost importance you need to require an API token or some other form of authentication before you serve the pages.

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hsbauauvhabzb ◴[] No.45775489[source]
How else do you tell the bot you do not wish to be scraped? Your analogy is lacking - you didn’t order a package, you never wanted a package, and the postman is taking something, not leaving it, and you’ve explicitly left a sign saying ‘you are not welcome here’.
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1. stray ◴[] No.45775924[source]
You require something the bot won't have that a human would.

Anybody may watch the demo screen of an arcade game for free, but you have to insert a quarter to play — and you can have even greater access with a key.

> and you’ve explicitly left a sign saying ‘you are not welcome here’

And the sign said "Long-haired freaky people Need not apply" So I tucked my hair up under my hat And I went in to ask him why He said, "You look like a fine upstandin' young man I think you'll do" So I took off my hat and said, "Imagine that Huh, me workin' for you"

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2. michaelt ◴[] No.45776006[source]
> You require something the bot won't have that a human would.

Is this why the “open web” is showing me a captcha or two, along with their cookie banner and newsletter pop up these days?

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3. bigbuppo ◴[] No.45783509[source]
Up until people started making a big stink about CAPTCHAs being used for unpaid labor at scale, uh, well they had two purposes.