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    My Impressions of the MacBook Pro M4

    (michael.stapelberg.ch)
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    1. bitwize ◴[] No.45775824[source]
    Musicians can feel latencies as low as 1ms.

    Apple is designing pro gear for its target audience.

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    2. 542458 ◴[] No.45778137[source]
    Do you have a source for that? I saw a study a short while ago showing the “just noticeable difference” for audio latency was best case around 26ms.

    https://dl.acm.org/doi/fullHtml/10.1145/3678299.3678331

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    3. acjohnson55 ◴[] No.45778249[source]
    I highly doubt anyone notices 1ms latency. I might believe rare people can notice 10ms.
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    4. spacechild1 ◴[] No.45778458[source]
    I definitely notice the difference between 10 ms and 26 ms. 26 ms already feel sluggish when playing drums, guitars or keyboard instruments. But there is no way anyone can feel a difference of 1 ms.
    5. relaxing ◴[] No.45778695[source]
    The study wasn’t conducted with musicians making music.
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    7. koiueo ◴[] No.45778972[source]
    Anecdotically, 7ms vs 3ms latency is felt as weirdly heavy action when playing midi keyboard. It's not felt as latency, but it's felt. And I bet the difference could be reliably established in double-blind testing (3 samples, find an outlier).

    1ms seems less believable, but I wouldn't be surprised, if some people could notice that too.

    8. Hnrobert42 ◴[] No.45778981[source]
    It depends on the frequency. At higher frequencies, the ear is capable of higher time precision. It's why a snare pops and a bass drum blooms.
    9. ksec ◴[] No.45779441[source]
    Again I have to point to this Microsoft Research Video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOvQCPLkPt4

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    10. agos ◴[] No.45780463[source]
    That’s audio latency, not musicians doing music. In my experience if you have two musicians that are supposed to be playing unison, 5-6 ms is enough to feel “off”
    11. 201984 ◴[] No.45781349[source]
    Fun fact, 1ms is the approximately the amount of time it takes for sound to travel 1 foot. Do musicians move all their speakers to be within one foot of their ears? Do people in a band notice a difference if they're not standing within 1 foot of their partners? No, they don't.
    12. msephton ◴[] No.45782309{3}[source]
    Fantastic video. QED.