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Havoc ◴[] No.45774330[source]
Even if you can’t move all of it now the basic building blocks like VMs and databases aren’t exactly cutting edge tech so should be doable.
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toomuchtodo ◴[] No.45774435[source]
People overestimate the technology required to build the utility stack, from physical servers to the first bit from an http server. Is it easy? It's straightforward. Can there be downtime? Tell me what us-east-1, Azure Front Door, Github, etc have looked like lately. Everyone uses cloud as an excuse for more uptime, but they're still down frequently, so this argument doesn't hold water. Eat some downtime, you're going to regardless if you manage your own infra or outsource. Can't build it yourself? That's fine, people like Oxide can build it for you, and you own all of it.

The profits you don't pay to hyperscalers is investment in your sovereignty. Easy case to prioritize stakeholders over Google, Microsoft, and AWS shareholders, and the US government's ability to rug pull your access and data at any time. The argument isn't bare metal vs virtualized; the argument is "Do you own it?" You are spending a certain amount no matter what to get the technology capabilities needed.

37signals Leaves the Cloud - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33260061 - October 2022

https://blog.codinghorror.com/the-cloud-is-just-someone-else...

https://oxide.computer/

(have built cloud infra for startups, fortune 100s, financial services firms, and on prem infra for high energy physics, non profits, public goods, etc; thoughts and opinions always my own)

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1. graemep ◴[] No.45774866[source]
> Eat some downtime, you're going to regardless if you manage your own infra or outsource.

If its outsourced the downtime is someone else's fault.

People prefer opex to capex.

You are right at a technical level, but short termism and personal incentives trump those.

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2. toomuchtodo ◴[] No.45774873[source]
> You are right at a technical level, but short termism and personal incentives trump those.

Agreed. Never let a crisis go to waste. This is that crisis. Like bankruptcy, change happens gradually, then suddenly.