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nova22033 ◴[] No.45772702[source]
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https://www.theregister.com/2025/10/29/microsoft_earnings_q1...

Microsoft seemingly just revealed that OpenAI lost $11.5B last quarter

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guywithahat ◴[] No.45772839[source]
It's incredible how Tesla used to lose a few hundred million a year and analysis shows would freak out claiming they'd never be profitable. Now Rivian can lose 5 billion a year and I don't hear anything about it, and OpenAI can lose 11 billion in a quarter and Microsoft still backs them.

I do think this is going to be a deeply profitable industry, but this feels a little like the WeWork CEO flying couches to offices in private jets

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randomNumber7 ◴[] No.45772879[source]
The winner takes it all, so it is reasonable to bet big to be the one.
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anonymousiam ◴[] No.45772975[source]
The one what? What is the secret sauce that will distinguish one LLM from another? Is it patentable? What's going to prevent all of the free LLMs from winning the prize? An AI crash seems inevitable.
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Workaccount2 ◴[] No.45773151[source]
The goal isn't to be the best LLM, the goal is to be the first self-improving LLM.

On paper, whoever gets there first, along with the needed compute to hand over to the AI, wins the race.

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kurisufag ◴[] No.45773287[source]
The moment properly self-improving AI (that doesn't run into some logistic upper bound of performance) is released, the economy breaks.

The AI, having theoretically the capacity to do anything better than everyone else, will not need support (in resources or otherwise) from any other business except perhaps once to kickstart its exponential growth. If it's guarded, every other company becomes instantly worthless on the long term, and if not anyone with a bootstrap-level of compute will be able to also, do anything ever on a long enough time frame.

It's not a race for ROI, it's to have your name go in the book as one of the guys that first obsoleted the relationship between effort, willpower, intelligence, etc. and the ability to bring arbitrary change to the world.

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forgetfulness ◴[] No.45773402[source]
The machine god would still need resources provided by humans on their terms to run; the AI wouldn’t sweat having to run, for instance, 5 years straight of its immortality just to figure out a 10 years plan to eventually run at 5% less power than now, but humans may not be willing to foot the bill for this.

There’s no guarantee that the singularity makes economic sense for humans.

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1. kurisufag ◴[] No.45773968[source]
Presuming the kind of runaway superintelligence people usually discuss, the sort with agency, this just turns into a boxing problem.

Are we /confident/ a machine god with `curl` can't gain its own resilient foothold on the world?