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ipython ◴[31 Oct 25 03:05 UTC] No.45767903[source]▶
My concern is that we will end up in a state of perpetual government "shutdown". The republicans, instead of reopening the entire government, will simply choose agencies to fund in order to keep the pain felt by the American people just low enough so they don't get fired (ala office space).

Once that happens, Congress has basically iced itself out. Oversight from unfriendly government agencies? No worries, they're shut down because they're unpaid. And clearly this demonstrates the executive needs more power, since Congress is completely frozen. Finally, the Supreme Court is no longer an issue either, since that's not funded either.

Someone tell me why this couldn't happen.

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rogerrogerr ◴[31 Oct 25 03:10 UTC] No.45767930[source]▶
I think if this was the plan, the right would be insisting on something more outlandish than a clean CR.
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SV_BubbleTime ◴[31 Oct 25 03:16 UTC] No.45767978[source]▶
> clean CR

So dastardly that no one seems to be able to explain how dastardly it is.

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paulryanrogers ◴[31 Oct 25 03:22 UTC] No.45768029[source]▶
'Clean' CR after they already rammed through their whole agenda in a huge bill that threatened worse cuts if the government shutdown. Yet it seems they cut with or without a shutdown.

Republicans have proven they won't follow the same rules and aren't negotiating in good faith.

They'll do whatever they can get away with, and if bad things happen (whether they are opposed or not) then it's anyone else's fault.

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qcnguy ◴[31 Oct 25 09:44 UTC] No.45770094[source]▶
They have a majority and campaigned on doing those things. They have a right to do it. The Democrats don't have a majority and it's bizarre/dysfunctional that they can force the entire government to shut down to try and get their agenda implemented, even though they lost the election.
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mlrtime ◴[31 Oct 25 10:50 UTC] No.45770568[source]▶
No replies but you're right. All top comments are blaming Republicans, but the the Republican part has passed. If the Democrats sign the budget it passes. Depending on which "side" (I hate that term) you view this from, the other side is holding it up.
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danaris ◴[31 Oct 25 12:33 UTC] No.45771330[source]▶
Sure, it is a negotiation, and the shutdown is because neither side will agree to certain things the other side wants to do.

The Democrats won't agree to making the awful omnibus bill cuts permanent and essentially defunding the ACA, because they want to govern and actually help all our people.

The Republicans won't agree to providing and caring for Americans through programs that are already fully approved, because they want to destroy those programs without actually having the votes to repeal them, because they want to destroy the government and harm anyone who doesn't fit their particular view of what a "real American" is.

So while your words are technically true, they serve to obscure a very real difference in why each side is refusing to end the shutdown.

I don't know about you, but I think the side that actually wants to govern the country, uphold the rule of law, and help people in need, is really not the one that we should be blaming for refusing to compromise on their principles (however late they may have come to them).

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qcnguy ◴[31 Oct 25 13:45 UTC] No.45771928[source]▶
The Democrats might "want to govern" but they lost the election, so what they want shouldn't matter.
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1. mindslight ◴[31 Oct 25 15:28 UTC] No.45773156[source]▶
The United States is not an autocracy where one party wins and then gets to dictate everything. The Democrats are indeed still trying to govern, as in have the Constitutional US Government continue functioning. The Republicans are trying to destroy that system, to usher in whatever system Corporate America (ie Big Tech) wants instead. Think your rights were neutered by Xitter trying to cut down on disinformation? Try when that same account ban system is linked into your ability to post anywhere, or your ability to travel. And no, having supported it doesn't mean you will automatically get a pass to be treated well.