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202 points akersten | 5 comments | 31 Oct 25 01:48 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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ipython ◴[31 Oct 25 03:05 UTC] No.45767903[source]▶
My concern is that we will end up in a state of perpetual government "shutdown". The republicans, instead of reopening the entire government, will simply choose agencies to fund in order to keep the pain felt by the American people just low enough so they don't get fired (ala office space).

Once that happens, Congress has basically iced itself out. Oversight from unfriendly government agencies? No worries, they're shut down because they're unpaid. And clearly this demonstrates the executive needs more power, since Congress is completely frozen. Finally, the Supreme Court is no longer an issue either, since that's not funded either.

Someone tell me why this couldn't happen.

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rogerrogerr ◴[31 Oct 25 03:10 UTC] No.45767930[source]▶
I think if this was the plan, the right would be insisting on something more outlandish than a clean CR.
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SV_BubbleTime ◴[31 Oct 25 03:16 UTC] No.45767978[source]▶
> clean CR

So dastardly that no one seems to be able to explain how dastardly it is.

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paulryanrogers ◴[31 Oct 25 03:22 UTC] No.45768029[source]▶
'Clean' CR after they already rammed through their whole agenda in a huge bill that threatened worse cuts if the government shutdown. Yet it seems they cut with or without a shutdown.

Republicans have proven they won't follow the same rules and aren't negotiating in good faith.

They'll do whatever they can get away with, and if bad things happen (whether they are opposed or not) then it's anyone else's fault.

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qcnguy ◴[31 Oct 25 09:44 UTC] No.45770094[source]▶
They have a majority and campaigned on doing those things. They have a right to do it. The Democrats don't have a majority and it's bizarre/dysfunctional that they can force the entire government to shut down to try and get their agenda implemented, even though they lost the election.
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1. sagarm ◴[31 Oct 25 11:42 UTC] No.45770933[source]▶
Then let Republicans remove the filibuster. They can do it with a simple majority.
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2. qcnguy ◴[31 Oct 25 13:40 UTC] No.45771876[source]▶
Yes they seem to be discussing it now. It's odd that this mechanism lasted so long.
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3. bee_rider ◴[31 Oct 25 14:53 UTC] No.45772629[source]▶
The filibuster has essentially become a mechanism to ensure you have a somewhat broad consensus among the states, instead of being able to ram things through with a 51% majority.

Just keeping the lights on shouldn’t require a 60% consensus (it should be the default). This is represented by the reconciliation process, which is some budget related voting process that only requires a majority in the senate. But the reconciliation process was used up to pass the “one big beautiful bill.”

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4. thephyber ◴[01 Nov 25 02:05 UTC] No.45778690{3}[source]▶
You keep saying filibuster, but it is the “vote for cloture” (similar to a quiet filibuster) which is the thing that has blocked most legislation.

I am curious why Republicans have not changed the parliamentary rules for cloture. The party seems to be pushing states to gerrymander to benefit their Congressional power as early as the next Congressional election. My best guess at the moment is there are a few Republican members who fear what the party leadership does with no opposition party constraints.

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5. sagarm ◴[01 Nov 25 07:06 UTC] No.45779768{4}[source]▶
Republicans don't want to remove the filibuster because they want to keep it as a tool when they're in the minority and use it to blame Dems for not doing things while in the majority.

Fundamentally, Republicans just want tax breaks and judicial appointments, and the filibuster already doesn't block those. So it hasn't really been a problem for them. Since Dems in theory want the government to work, they can keep things working well enough to let the Dems deal with their time bombs like expiring ACA subsidies and middle class tax breaks.