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t312227 ◴[] No.45768669[source]
hello,

imho. (!)

i think this would be great!!

personally i totally understood why AMD gave up on its last attempt - the A1100 opterons - about 10 years ago in favor of the back then new ryzen architecture:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Opteron_processors...

but what i would really like to see: an ARM soc/apu on an "open"*) (!) hardware-platform similar to the existing amd64 pc hardware.

*) "open" as in: i'm able to boot whatever (vanilla) arm64 linux-distribution or other OS i want ...

i have to add: i'm personally offended by the amount of tinkering of the firmware/boot-process which is necessary to get for example the raspberry pi 5 (or 4) to boot vanilla debian/arm64 ... ;)

br, a..z

ps. even if its a bit o.T. in this context, as a reminder a link to a slightly older article about an interview with jim keller about how ISA no longer matters that much ...

"ARM or x86? ISA Doesn’t Matter"

* https://chipsandcheese.com/p/arm-or-x86-isa-doesnt-matter

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jabl ◴[] No.45769083[source]
> "ARM or x86? ISA Doesn’t Matter"

> * https://chipsandcheese.com/p/arm-or-x86-isa-doesnt-matter

Some people, for some strange reason, want to endlessly relitigate the old 1980'ies RISC vs CISC flamewars. Jim Kellers interview above is a good antidote for that. Yes, RISC vs CISC matters for something like a simple in-order core you might see in embedded systems. For a big OoO core, much less so.

That doesn't mean you'd end up with x86 if you'd design a clean sheet 'best practices' ISA today. Probably it would indeed look something like aarch64 or RISC-V. So certainly in that sense RISC won. But the win isn't so overwhelming that it overcomes the value of the x86 software ecosystem in the markets where x86 plays.

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1. consp ◴[] No.45769151[source]
You would also get rid of all the 8/16-bit shenanigans still somewhat present.
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2. jabl ◴[] No.45769219[source]
Intel had a project doing that a few years ago, called X86S. It was killed after industry opposition.