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lxgr ◴[] No.45766597[source]
> a dropdown list of acceptable documents: a lease agreement, rates notice, tax document, utilities bill, or telecommunications bill.

It’s baffling to me that these types of (usually unsigned in both the electronic and the ink way, not that the latter would prove anything in a scan) PDFs are still somehow the gold standard for “proofs” of address.

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Etheryte ◴[] No.45766620[source]
In many countries worldwide that's the reasonable best option. A scan of a physically signed piece of paper is no better, anyone could've signed it. So long as there is no global standard for digitally signed documents, that's what we're stuck with, no?
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rtpg ◴[] No.45766712[source]
While you can always outright commit fraud, there are many jurisdictions where there are decently strong forms of proof that go beyond a letter.

Things like tax numbers with addresses associated to them, official address registers... hell, a lot of ID cards in many jurisdictions just have your address printed on it!

Now, again, fraud is possible, but "I registered my drivers license to a fake address" is a bit of a higher hurdle than "I edited my utility PDF to show the right address".

Though there's a bit of a blessing in things like PDFs being easily editable, in that many badly organized criminals will likely do it haphazardly, leading to messy metadata, or even more amateur hour stuff around just having the font be wrong or the like. More opportunities for a fraudster to trip up, so to speak.

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Etheryte ◴[] No.45766825[source]
In countries where you do have e.g. tax numbers associated with addresses no government agency is going to give it to a random private company. I've lived in many countries both in the EU and outside of it and I can think of only a few countries where you actually could do something better than a pdf — and they use digital signatures.
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lmm ◴[] No.45768012[source]
> In countries where you do have e.g. tax numbers associated with addresses no government agency is going to give it to a random private company.

Why not? In my country the company registry is public, anyone can pay a small fee to get an official certificate of a company's address and company number.

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1. Etheryte ◴[] No.45768440[source]
We're talking about different things, what you're describing is the opposite problem. The vast majority of the customers are people, not companies, and no information will be released about them.
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2. lmm ◴[] No.45768826[source]
The post we're discussing is about a company, so I think that's the relevant case. (And for what it's worth the registry I'm talking about also applies to sole proprietors, at least those who've registered for the associated tax treatment).