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yndoendo ◴[31 Oct 25 02:50 UTC] No.45767812[source]▶
Who knew electing shitty representation leads to a shitty environment and economy? I wish those effected by the shitty government the best

Forcing people to work and not pay them is slavery!

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tombert ◴[31 Oct 25 03:00 UTC] No.45767866[source]▶
I got in trouble at a BigCo because I said "we all do this for the money", and they claimed that I had a "bad attitude".

But I don't think I was wrong. Work is fundamentally a business transaction; I sell my time and expertise and they give me money and benefits. Ultimately for any job I've had, even jobs that I really loved, if they stopped paying me I'd stop showing up [1]. It's nothing personal, that's just the transaction that I agreed to.

If I had some bloviating wannabe-demagogue telling me that I should keep working and to not expect backpay, I am quite confident that I would quit, or at least keep calling in sick. I am not going to blame anyone who would do the same. I have no fucking idea why half the country voted for this.

[1] This has actually been tested for one job.

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deepsun ◴[31 Oct 25 03:16 UTC] No.45767977[source]▶
It's not just wrong, if a company is registered as "commercial" (as opposed to non-profit or public-benefit), then "for the money" is a legal obligation.

Shareholders can literally sue the management if they don't pursue the obligation.

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1. paulryanrogers ◴[31 Oct 25 03:29 UTC] No.45768076[source]▶
Profit is not the only obligation. We all exist in a society. Poisoning the water can be very profitable, and yet shareholders cannot sue to force management to do it.
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2. cogman10 ◴[31 Oct 25 03:35 UTC] No.45768124[source]▶
Management is often shareholders themselves and you can bet that if the fine is lower than the money saved they'll poison the water for 1000 years.

We've had rivers catch fire because poisoning the water is profitable.

We all exist in a society. However, the people most likely to own businesses and be successful at it seem to have no moral qualms about harming society so long as it personally enriches themselves.

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3. paulryanrogers ◴[31 Oct 25 11:27 UTC] No.45770831[source]▶
My point isn't that shareholders have pure motives. It's that they are not obligated to harm society in the name of profit.
4. ndsipa_pomu ◴[31 Oct 25 11:32 UTC] No.45770871[source]▶
How about management suing the shareholders that want less climate destruction?

https://www.npr.org/2024/02/29/1234358133/exxon-climate-chan...