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stinkbeetle ◴[] No.45766732[source]
If I was a conspiracy theorist I might think that the ruling class who so desperately want these kinds of powers are intentionally dividing nations and breaking down social cohesion so the populace must turn to the governments for protection. They're hoping to create societies where the people will beg them to scan private messages rather than to demand rights.

Give it another 10 years the way things are going, and I'm sure it will be back.

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lysace ◴[] No.45766976[source]
In practice it's a combination of:

a) wanting to soon expand this scheme to catch criminal gang communication (violent narco-related crime is exploding in e.g. some northern EU countries) [center-right goal]

b) wanting to make people more nervous about what they post online (immigration vs crime etc is a hot topic that many want to cool down). [center-left goal]

I suppose that there might also be some naive idealists that primarily care about the stated goal.

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stinkbeetle ◴[] No.45767040[source]
In practice it is entirely about wanting to expand the power of the state and cement its supremacy over the rights of the individual.

Those other things are a means to this end. They would be extremely happy for there to be more crime and more unrest about immigration if it meant they could seize powers like these.

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lysace ◴[] No.45767051[source]
> They would be extremely happy for there to be more crime and more unrest about immigration if it meant they could seize powers like these.

What country is this? Sounds really bad.

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stinkbeetle ◴[] No.45767160[source]
What country is where the state's primary purpose is to perpetuate the power of the state, and where the ruling class desperately want to take more power and rights from the people? Lots of them. Denmark, for one.
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lysace ◴[] No.45767188[source]
It sounds like you are approaching this from a Marxist perspective. Have you tried thinking about this from other perspectives? (Just as an exercise.)
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stinkbeetle ◴[] No.45767322[source]
That's not an argument.
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lysace ◴[] No.45767335[source]
You're right - it's an observation and an idea.
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1. stinkbeetle ◴[] No.45767370[source]
Yes I am right. And now allow me to observe and suggest: It sounds like you're having a bad day. Why don't you try again tomorrow if you feel better then?
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2. lysace ◴[] No.45767375[source]
Okay, I was trying to be constructive. Have a good night.