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1. gdulli ◴[] No.45763751[source]
There used to be a much bigger scene around custom Windows installs and I hope it gets resurrected if/when the ability to create local accounts goes away. The desire for a tiny install is pretty niche at this point but I could see demand going up to preserve local accounts.

Or perhaps that won't be necessary because certain enterprise customers will insist on local accounts and it will be easier for pirates to just tap into that install path? One way or another, if/when local accounts go away I hope there's some option to work around it.

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2. tapoxi ◴[] No.45763978[source]
Why not just invest in Wine?
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3. gdulli ◴[] No.45764166[source]
I use Linux daily as a server/VM and hate using Windows as a server, but I've never been happy enough with alternatives to Windows as a desktop when I've tried them.
4. mid-kid ◴[] No.45764518[source]
It still exists, and it's gotten way more reliable than in years of yore. Check out ameliorated, and its derivative projects, reviOS and Atlas OS.

There's also projects that modify a system less deeply, like Sophia Script.

These days the default windows install is so garbage that I have little issue running semi-open source customizations like these.

5. ZiiS ◴[] No.45764551[source]
Do any enterprise use local accounts? I guess for airgapped?
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6. ssl-3 ◴[] No.45764746[source]
Why even do that? I don't want a better Windows than Windows so I can run Windows programs on my not-Windows computer.

I want Linux software, instead.

(I'm old enough to have once had a "better Windows than Windows" experience, with OS/2 Warp -- ~30 years ago. It was a very nice system that completely failed to thrive, with many back then blaming its quite good Windows compatibility for that failure.)

7. gdulli ◴[] No.45765184[source]
I don't know, but I was thinking/hoping maybe the code for local accounts has to live on if at least any enterprise customers demand it.
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8. ayaros ◴[] No.45765371[source]
Or ReactOS...
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9. sharkjacobs ◴[] No.45765410[source]
I had a bootcamp partition with TinyXP installed on every Intel Mac that I owned.
10. AtlasBarfed ◴[] No.45765550{3}[source]
If AI had 1/10 of the promise it's marketed to have, I'd have faith in react OS actually catching up.
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12. layer8 ◴[] No.45766258[source]
Wine won‘t give you a full Windows GUI / desktop environment. That’s the main draw for using Windows non-professionally, besides gaming and the software/hardware ecosystem.
13. wildzzz ◴[] No.45767464{3}[source]
Likely the process is to provision the PC using an AD account, setup a local account, and then disconnect from the network forever. Microsoft isn't going to step on the toes of businesses that need local accounts but they really don't care about upsetting individuals

In reality, truly airgapped PCs are rare. They are usually just there to run some specific application that likely can't run on anything safe to connect to the network. Unless you're both the admin and the only user, an airgapped PC is disadvantageous for security reasons. There's no one monitoring what the users are doing with it, how do you know if anything malicious is running on it if the only reference you have is the PC itself? It's like owning a single clock and never checking to see if the time is actually correct. You're more likely to find airgapped networks that allow for monitoring of the hardware and what users are doing with it. Of course there will always be things like malware testing but with how smart malware is now, it's pretty good at detecting when it running airgapped and won't actually do anything until it knows it can phone home.

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14. zamadatix ◴[] No.45767862[source]
It's far more likely such users will just pirate Pro/Enterprise (select "Work" instead of "Home" during the OOBE) than revitalize the customized install media scene around Home. Alternatively, configure the user in autounattend.xml

If you mean when no edition of Windows allows local users... I mean, there's a lot of other things which have to come to Enterprise before we get there. I wonder if Windows will lose relevance before that level of change occurs.

15. hulitu ◴[] No.45769842{4}[source]
> in reality, truly airgapped PCs are rare.

there is a lot of measuring equipment running Windows

16. nolok ◴[] No.45771967[source]
It's a big part of why Microsoft has struggled to kill ALL path to local account, entreprise don't use local but they don't use regular cloud account either, they use active directory account. Which, in windows world, are local account that sync with a local server.

They're pushing hard to push all active directory to Azure AD and the like.