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Workaccount2 ◴[] No.45754696[source]
Europe doing everything possible to scare away modern industry.
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pms ◴[] No.45754856[source]
I hope it's quite the opposite, since this can lead to innovation as we figure out how to depolarize social media platforms or how to develop more politically neutral online media.
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1. terminalshort ◴[] No.45755632[source]
What you want is censorship. Using words like "depolarize" to hide it doesn't fool anyone. The polarization comes not from the platform, but from its users.
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2. xyzal ◴[] No.45757331[source]
Censorship from an American perspective? Maybe. We used to have similar views on free speech up until WW2, the rise of propaganda and methods of mass manipulation. Since then e.g. threatening speech is beyond the line.

But don't worry. You will learn your lesson soon. Remember, your leader says you don't have to go vote anymore.

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3. jack_tripper ◴[] No.45758041[source]
>We used to have similar views on free speech up until WW2

WW2 in Europe and the fascism and nazism that came to power and lead to it, wasn't due to European countries having too much free speech, but the contrary, they had not enough to act as a blowoff valve, so the people lashed out by electing stronger autocrats opposing the status quo to kick out the previous autocrats as revenge to the establishment. Same mindset that got Trump elected twice.

It's not like pre-Hitler and pre-Mussolini Germans and Italians were living in a golden age of freedom and prosperity, and then suddenly out of the blue with no warning, Hitler and Mussolini just randomly came to power for no reason because their people had too much free speech and one day decided to throw it all away for shits and giggles.

And today, history in Europe is repeating itself again, with unpopular governments failing their voters, trying to prevent the rise of right wing with censorship, which in turn further radicalizes the people against those in power, leading the rise of the right wing just like in pre-WW2. Nothing was learned, we're doomed to keep repeating the same mistakes every 100 years or so.

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5. pms ◴[] No.45758783[source]
Please don't put your words in my mouth. You can speak only for yourself. And, frankly, it's not ok to write false information about a person you don't know.
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6. terminalshort ◴[] No.45759209[source]
You Europeans are the ones who saw the Nazis and decided to take a page out of their playbook, not us. Saying you are censoring "to prevent Nazis" means nothing to me because I've seen the people you call "Nazis". You are just another person who pretends to favor democracy, but in reality only means if those damn voters vote for who you tell them to.
7. terminalshort ◴[] No.45759817[source]
I haven't put any words in your mouth. You want an authority to control what people are allowed to say and/or what people are allowed to hear. That's censorship. It makes no difference what words you use to convince yourself you aren't the authoritarian.
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8. pms ◴[] No.45764071{3}[source]
No, that's not what I want. I want platform transparency and accountability.

Meanwhile, you're giving yourself the right to talk lies about me without my consent when I kindly ask you not to do that. Who acts here like an authoritarian?

Also, there are already authorities you describe, and they can do whatever they want without any oversight: the platforms.