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124 points dreadsword | 75 comments | | HN request time: 1.223s | source | bottom

An honest to god, non-algorithmic reverse chrono list of tech news that passes my signal-to-noise tests, updated hourly.

A lightweight a page design as I've been able to keep; simple, clean, fast. No commercial features or aspirations - this is a passion project, something I've been fooling around with on and off for decades.

There's a "Top" view too with an LLM edited front page & summary, and categorized views for a large number of topics - see the Directory. A few more buried features to explore, but the fundamental use case is pop in, scan, exit - fast and concise.

Your feedback would be appreciated!

1. wmeredith ◴[] No.45684977[source]
I've built a couple different versions of this for myself over the years. I like yours! Thanks for sharing.
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2. metalliqaz ◴[] No.45685050[source]
Really nice and clean, well done.

What is the purpose of having summaries for "Recent", "Incoming", and "Outgoing" all at the top? Seems like all content from the later two are in the first, right?

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3. dreadsword ◴[] No.45685129[source]
Cheers - thank you for the kind words!
4. dreadsword ◴[] No.45685159[source]
You're right --- incoming & outgoing end up being redundant on the "Recent" view.

Where they're (more) relevant is in the "Top" view where the LLM editor has picked a subset of stories to be categorized as top and incoming/outgoing are the ones that didn't make the cut, organized by timeliness.

Definitely a gap in design!

5. jarmitage ◴[] No.45685175[source]
RSS?
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6. dreadsword ◴[] No.45685192[source]
In the roadmap! RSS by tag - i.e.: for https://deadstack.net/tag/quantum And an RSS feed for /recent are both in progress
7. chicagojoe ◴[] No.45685193[source]
This is great! Are you using a news API or pulling in RSS feeds yourself? Is there a list of what sources are included?
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8. dreadsword ◴[] No.45685234[source]
Reading RSS myself, OLD SCHOOL: Cron Jobs. PHP. Hahaha! List of sources: At present, no; but if its of interest, it would not be hard to add.

I should also add - please post any recommendations re: sources to cover.

9. dreadsword ◴[] No.45685245[source]
Oh I should add: incoming will show stories ~20 minutes before they get picked up for "Top" inclusion, if they're going to make the cut, based on how jobs are scheduled.
10. fuddle ◴[] No.45685267[source]
Cool site, an About page would be useful. It's hard to tell how the site works.
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11. NetOpWibby ◴[] No.45685331[source]
I love that your site comes with an overview instead of clicking away to another site immediately. Feels snappy and looks good. I can see this being my news roundup. Great work!
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12. neilellis ◴[] No.45685340[source]
Really good, clean and to the point, love it.
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13. dreadsword ◴[] No.45685348[source]
Fair enough - its honestly not something I expected anyone to be interested in enough such that an about page would be required.

At a high level, it reads RSS feeds from a number of sources, and uses LLMs to identify clusters of stories about the same thing, group them, tag them, and designate them a "top" story or not. That's it.

The biggest thing I've learned in all of this is that o3-mini is far and away the best at following instructions (for this use case). Periodically I'll cycle through the models available on Groq, and always come back to o3-mini.

14. dreadsword ◴[] No.45685358[source]
Cheers - thank-you so much!
15. dreadsword ◴[] No.45685392[source]
Cheers and thank-you!
16. productiveminds ◴[] No.45685437[source]
Simplistic site, looks clean and easy to navigate!
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17. botanrice ◴[] No.45685471[source]
This is neat! Thanks for sharing.
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18. tamimio ◴[] No.45685507[source]
If you can get rid of the cookies message that would be great, as I will place the site as an app in my phone and that message is annoying to have when I open it.
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19. _menelaus ◴[] No.45685518[source]
This is pretty cool man. How do you cluster the articles into stories? It looks like you did a good job of it.
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20. dreadsword ◴[] No.45685584[source]
Thanks so much for the kind words - its 100% o3-mini for clustering. I have zero editorial input as to what constitutes a cluster, what's "top" news, etc.

The one subtlety is setting up the LLM to understand whether a new story belongs in an existing cluster, or with > 1 neighbors, constitutes a new cluster. The challenge there is scoping the clustering window (hours of stories for consideration) and topic breadth to avoid creating Katamari-super-clusters that just end up with every story associated to them.

At this point I seem to have found a sweet spot re: the hours window, the frequency of processing, and the design of the prompt such that its working consistently.

Very few false positives in terms of spurious clusters being created, or potential clusters being missed.

21. dreadsword ◴[] No.45685592[source]
Cheers and thank you!
22. dreadsword ◴[] No.45685597[source]
Many thanks for the kind words!
23. embit ◴[] No.45685622[source]
I have done similar style for tech news. Aggravating based on Tags. That way I can read tech news on micro topics. https://embit.ca/ Your feedback is appreciated.
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24. amatecha ◴[] No.45685642[source]
This is probably a dumb question, but.. what does "incoming" and "outgoing" mean?
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25. al_borland ◴[] No.45685668[source]
I like it. It kind of reminds me of the old Fever RSS reader, which would group together similar articles from different sources, and use that to rank how hot a story was.
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26. dreadsword ◴[] No.45685677[source]
Oh man, don't ask - not a dumb question at all. I'll reshare what I put in another comment that answers it, but bottom line is they're a design gap in the context of /recent.

You're right --- incoming & outgoing end up being redundant on the "Recent" view. Where they're (more) relevant is in the "Top" view where the LLM editor has picked a subset of stories to be categorized as top and incoming/outgoing are the ones that didn't make the cut, organized by timeliness.

Definitely a gap in design!

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27. lateforwork ◴[] No.45685741[source]
Love it, but the body font (garamond) is not easy on the eyes. Garamond is one of my favorite fonts in print and at not-too-small sizes. On the screen it doesn't look good because where the characters get thin it gets too thin (or as font experts call it, too much contrast).
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28. jiwidi ◴[] No.45685749[source]
Pretty cool! How do you do to build these "stories" based on news?
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29. thekevan ◴[] No.45685760{3}[source]
I assumed it meant stories that trended highly and were now fading in popularity (outgoing) and stories that are trending but trending quickly and may be on a fast ascent.

Sort of a combo of "in case you missed it" and "the next new big stories".

30. dreadsword ◴[] No.45685763[source]
Noted, thank you! I haven't put a tonne into readability, other than some basics - I prefer a serif'd font, and I made sure the background was easier on the eyes than #FFFFFF haha
31. p-s-v ◴[] No.45685783[source]
cool, how did you create it? whats the architecture like ?
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32. jhack ◴[] No.45685789[source]
I'm REALLY liking this, way more than I thought I would. Great job! What's your stack if you don't mind my asking?
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33. dreadsword ◴[] No.45685834[source]
Awesome - glad you're enjoying it and thank you for the kind words!

My "Stack" ---- LAMP + o3-mini for editorial tasks + Bootstrap for responsive front end. That is to say: Its old school, and painfully functional. But, light & fast.

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34. dreadsword ◴[] No.45685865[source]
Cheers and thank you! I'll reshare an earlier comment that I think answers your question - let me know:

Thanks so much for the kind words - its 100% o3-mini for clustering. I have zero editorial input as to what constitutes a cluster, what's "top" news, etc.

The one subtlety is setting up the LLM to understand whether a new story belongs in an existing cluster, or with > 1 neighbors, constitutes a new cluster. The challenge there is scoping the clustering window (hours of stories for consideration) and topic breadth to avoid creating Katamari-super-clusters that just end up with every story associated to them.

At this point I seem to have found a sweet spot re: the hours window, the frequency of processing, and the design of the prompt such that its working consistently.

Very few false positives in terms of spurious clusters being created, or potential clusters being missed.

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35. taftster ◴[] No.45685935[source]
I'm not sure, something about the "Recent Stories Summary" section (first view) is hard to read. The spacing is wrong. And the blue font. Someone mentioned Garamond too.

It's creating a "wall of text" effect to me and I'm not able to quickly skim and allow my eye to catch the bits that are interesting to me.

As a comparison, the HN homepage is very accessible to me for skimming and finding things to click into (like this entry).

UI is often quite subjective, understood. But I can't really "scan" the first view fast enough. It's all blending together and causes extra processing on my mind.

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36. tiaremnt ◴[] No.45685951[source]
I just configured my own rss website to only find this awesome solution. I’m crying right now if only it found you earlier I would have saved me so much time. Also do you have the code publicly available so that I can customize for my own needs?
37. MiiMe19 ◴[] No.45685953[source]
This is exactly the stuff that I think LLMs are best at. We have created the world's coolest string manipulator and this is exactly the kind of things I think LLMs are best suited for. Awesome job!
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38. dreadsword ◴[] No.45686001[source]
I hear you - there's something to be done there. My initial thought was to stay as close to convention as I could (links are blue!), but as the RECENT list gets long, its definitely gets less scannable.

Thank you for the feedback!

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39. dreadsword ◴[] No.45686041[source]
How about now? Story titles are still clickable links, but are black. Made the story count a link as well, and kept it blue as a visual cue.
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40. taftster ◴[] No.45686062{3}[source]
I hear you about "links are blue" ... except when you are a link aggregator.

The links are blue design from early HTML was meant to highlight links in the context of a paragraph of prose, not a list of link items. "Blue" means something special about the text in the context of the text around it.

In this case, the blue font is distracting because the links are the content. You don't need the blue to help your links "stand out". Because the links are normal text, using a normal palette would be appropriate.

I don't mind some subtle clues that these are links. Underlines, slight grey text. Or even a subtle hover effect. Two cents.

41. taftster ◴[] No.45686093{3}[source]
Better, to be honest. Keep refining of course. But this is definitely more readable.

I admit that straight black is not quite the right answer either. A slightly toned down dark grey would be nice. And again, subjectively, I like how HN has a row of non-link smaller (lighter shaded) text under each listing, which I think plays nice for the white space between each item.

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42. sweenzor ◴[] No.45686122[source]
Very cool. Having an immutable record "time machine" you can use to re-find something you remember reading is very humane. I'd love to see this for world news, politics, etc.
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43. hackncheese ◴[] No.45686165[source]
Combines the strength of AI at summarizing text and easy access to the actual information sources for verification, well done well done!
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44. amatecha ◴[] No.45686262{3}[source]
Oh, sure, but I literally just don't understand what their meaning is >_>
45. clueless ◴[] No.45686267[source]
looks very similar to https://particle.news how would you distinguish your approach (other than the tech focus)?
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46. wccrawford ◴[] No.45686271[source]
Wow. That's amazing! I've bookmarked it because I think it's one of the best news sites I've seen now.
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47. jiwidi ◴[] No.45686291{3}[source]
Very interesting, how do you do that? Do you limit yourself what you feed or via custom instructions? I had a similar case so would love how you are doing the prompting here.

In my case we went with embeddings and clustering to find close papers to each other because llm were allucinating.

48. bcrl ◴[] No.45686329{4}[source]
Personally, I far prefer black over grey. Grey is really hard to read across a variety of lighting conditions and devices. The older you get, the more important contrast becomes.
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49. Biologist123 ◴[] No.45686349[source]
Great idea! May I ask what the information source is?
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50. felideon ◴[] No.45686463{3}[source]
Some additional feedback:

There's no reason for both the story count and the story summary to be clickable. It's confusing because:

(a) It's not clear what the number in parentheses even means (until you click and infer)

(b) Separate links makes you think they lead to different pages

Also, echoing another comment, it's not really clear what "incoming" and "outgoing" stories mean. Maybe "new" vs. "stale"?

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52. nathanwallace ◴[] No.45686670[source]
A similar site I've enjoyed for >15 years (!!) is https://techmeme.com/

I also use it's sister aggregator site for political news every day - https://www.memeorandum.com/

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53. dreadsword ◴[] No.45686714[source]
Cool - particle looks great - I really like how visual it is.

Distinguishing characteristics - personally I get value from the unambiguous timeline (no editorializing in /recent), and (as nice as the visual is) the non-visual, super simplistic presentation & the curated sources (...which I value b/c I curated them myself haha).

So bottom line is that DS will appeal to a certain kind of obsessive compulsive news consumer and synthesizer that wants the right balance of signal to noise ands a streamlined presentation that doesn't slow them down. I count myself among that group!

54. dreadsword ◴[] No.45686723[source]
Cheers and thanks for the kind words! And yes - LLMs (at least o3-mini) do a great job as my editorial team - the site is 100% automated.
55. dreadsword ◴[] No.45686741[source]
Yes - Techmeme is definitely the archetype and a great product, and I have spent lots of time there over the years as well!
56. dreadsword ◴[] No.45686873[source]
Not familiar with fever, but there is something similar buried at the heart of mine - the LLM clusters stories, and they get promoted to public when they reach a threshold of unique sources.

That threshold is a function of day of the week - on weekends when the news cycle is quiet, it lowers the bar --- tuesday to thursday its at its most restrictive.

57. dreadsword ◴[] No.45686897[source]
Ah cool! it is built to be extensible, and I'll give you a preview of another vertical here: https://northfeed.ca/

And - did you actually see the time machine at the bottom of the right hand column? Or - was that just a wish list item of yours?

58. dreadsword ◴[] No.45686903[source]
Well thank you so much for the very kind words, and don't hesitate to reach out with any feedback!
59. dreadsword ◴[] No.45686912[source]
Individual feeds from ~100 sites!
60. dreadsword ◴[] No.45686918[source]
Cheers and thank you very much --- yes, LLMs are very well suited to editorial tasks!
61. dreadsword ◴[] No.45687032[source]
Thanks very much! Architecture - is truly recidivistic - LAMP, cron jobs, o3-mini, bootstrap. It works, its fast because its not complicated, and b/c I'm doing things like updating hourly vs. real time.
62. dreadsword ◴[] No.45687044[source]
You should only see that message once when you first show up, and as annoying as it is, there's a compliance element to it. Let me know if its persisting for you after accepting!
63. taftster ◴[] No.45687052{5}[source]
Fair and good point. Sharp black bothers me, so just adding in a little hue is nice for my eyes. But that's me, of course.

Noting also that this text is #000000 black, per the CSS. Maybe the background color helps soften it a little? Like contrast white/black is hard on the eyes, but HN is not?

64. dreadsword ◴[] No.45687135[source]
Looking good - keep at it! Use it yourself every day, and iterate it continuously.
65. dreadsword ◴[] No.45687575[source]
Hey - still thinking about sources here. With the data I have, I could actually do an interesting analysis of news sources - i.e.:

- how often do their stories become members of clusters? - how "fast" are they to publish on a topic vs. other competitors - i.e.: who "breaks" the news? - what tags (people, companies, topics) does a given source stick close? Which do they shy away from?

Thanks very much for a really interesting set of ideas to explore!

66. swader999 ◴[] No.45687642[source]
Maybe I'm the only one but I would love a feed that never showed me items again that I've already scrolled past without engaging in the first time.
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67. econ ◴[] No.45687972[source]
Clicking "more" for a few extra words feels wrong.
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68. stevage ◴[] No.45687987[source]
Me too. That's the number one thing I always wish for with every feed. And if I reach the end of the feed, that's fine.
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69. stevage ◴[] No.45687995[source]
I would love this but with more blogs and less product announcements.
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70. dreadsword ◴[] No.45688180[source]
I hear you - today was heavier on product announcements than normal I feel. And re: blogs - for sure: send me suggestions and I'll add them...!
71. taftster ◴[] No.45688204{3}[source]
Right, I'm so tired of "infinite scroll". There's a mental/emotional reward for actually reaching The End of something.
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72. dreadsword ◴[] No.45688263[source]
Where are you seeing that?
73. facundo_olano ◴[] No.45688326[source]
I built that feature (auto mark as read by scrolling) into my feed reader if you’re up to self host and curate your sources

https://github.com/facundoolano/feedi

I did try to build a public facing news aggregator with a similar ux but I couldn’t pull it off purely based on client side state (and I didn’t want to do user management)

74. dasil003 ◴[] No.45688370{4}[source]
I wonder how much this is a factor of the widespread mental health malaise that is often attributed to tech these days? Certainly plenty of factors to go around, but consider the connotation of "scrolling" and how common it is a default replacement to boredom in modern life and suddenly it seems quite insidious.