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Controlling culture, yes but wild pivot to mention that criminal alongside Karpathy.

I mean just an example. He obviously wasn't the most ethical person. Depends how you do it

Neither are Stalin, Netanyahu, Pol Pot, Hitler, Charles Manson et al.

Way to derail the conversation. Focus on the positive people and their legacy of time, sharing, positive energy and contributions to society

not a particularly ethical guy and I wouldn't hold him up as a example of morality but the guy hasn't actually been found guilty YET. Multiple courts have tried. You'd think that for a guy under as much scrutiny as him that they would have SOMETHING to pin him on by now.

Innocent until PROVEN guilty is a foundational legal precedent for a reason.

not derailing, just pointing out effective ways of producing good which is what i was responding to. i think its good for people to be aware of this. those people are all examples of people who have influenced culture for bad. you can do it for good: bryan johnson, civil rights leaders, leftist streamers. andrew tate was just the most effective, recent, and obvious one which is why I pointed him out.

He is definitely guilty of being a waste of human life, a massive asshole and a general detriment to society worldwide. Don’t need a court to prove that.

There are 6 criminal cases against him in several countries, let’s see how they pan out - but regardless he is not an innocent person.

I believe you that you just meant this as an interesting example, and in that sense were engaged in curious conversation (generally what we want here). But the amount of provocation in the comment is so high, and the amount of information so little, that it ends up on the wrong side of "Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents." (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html). In other words: not gonna end well.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45569878.