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sharpshadow ◴[] No.45374509[source]
It would be only just if the Palestinians would get their own state after this.
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lupusreal ◴[] No.45374749[source]
Right of return for all Palestinians and their descendants, worldwide.
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vkou ◴[] No.45374865[source]
Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves, here, that would have the stench of colonialism about it.

It's not their land to 'return to' - after all, people already live there and they have no moral right to displace them.

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basilgohar ◴[] No.45375160[source]
How do you think Israel was formed in the first place? Or is your comment intentionally ironic?
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ars ◴[] No.45375917[source]
In the fist place? That was 3,000 or so years ago.
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basilgohar ◴[] No.45376302[source]
There was never a country called Israel until 1948. It was always Palestine.

The idea of a nation called Israel is the invention of Zionists in the 19th and 20th century.

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jameshilliard ◴[] No.45381178[source]
> There was never a country called Israel until 1948. It was always Palestine.

Palestine was never a country before 1948, immediately prior to 1948 there was a British Mandate[0] with the name Palestine, but this mandate included land that would eventually turn into countries like Jordan(which just so happens to be a country with a Palestinian majority population). After 1948 and before 1967 the West Bank was annexed by Jordan and Gaza was occupied and administered by Egypt.

The idea of a nation called Palestine is arguably a more recent invention than the nation of Israel.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_for_Palestine

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buyucu ◴[] No.45456384[source]
Israel was formed by invading Palestine, murdering Palestinians and forcing them to migrate.
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jameshilliard ◴[] No.45458577[source]
Jewish immigration to Palestine was initially accomplished by buying land from Arab landowners during the time when it was ruled by the Ottoman Empire.
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buyucu ◴[] No.45459687[source]
Is that why millions of Palestinians are refugees in other countries?

Israel's founding principles are mass murder and invasion.

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jameshilliard ◴[] No.45466965[source]
> Is that why millions of Palestinians are refugees in other countries?

Palestinian refugees are defined differently by the UN vs essentially all other refugees.

Palestinian refugees fall under the UNRWA while normal refugees(i.e. refugees from essentially all other countries) fall under the UNHCR. The UNRWA definition is hereditary while the UNHCR definition is not. This hereditary definition is largely why the Palestinian refugee populations can increase over time in other countries so easily vs normal refugees.

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buyucu ◴[] No.45471505[source]
no matter how you define it, those people had to run away from Palestine because of Israeli murderers.
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1. jameshilliard ◴[] No.45478021[source]
> those people had to run away from Palestine because of Israeli murderers

There were multiple reason they(or their ancestors) left, there was plenty of violence when Israel was created but it wasn't like it was just one side attacking either. Regardless it's quite strange that someone is still considered a refugee despite potentially having never even been to the country they are supposedly a refugee from, especially since that doesn't happen for refugees from other countries(at least with how the UN defines refugee).

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2. buyucu ◴[] No.45483194[source]
Are you seriously defending expelling millions of people from their homes? What is wrong with you?
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3. jameshilliard ◴[] No.45485697[source]
There was a war, people fled and were expelled from their homes for various reasons, Jews lost their homes as well due to the war. Sometimes fleeing a conflict is the least bad option. I have grandparents that had to flee their homes due to living in a country that was on the losing side of a war, they never got their homes/land back. I would probably even be considered a refugee by the UNRWA definition of refugee used for Palestinians. After Israels independence most Jews living in Arab countries were also forced out of their homes/land, I don't see Jews trying to get their original homes back in those Arab countries either. We can't go back in time and fix all the historical wrongs in the world, we have to move forwards.