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sharpshadow ◴[] No.45374509[source]
It would be only just if the Palestinians would get their own state after this.
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dotancohen[dead post] ◴[] No.45375056[source]
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basilgohar ◴[] No.45375137[source]
Their own land, of course, where they've lived for thousands of years.
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dotancohen ◴[] No.45376076[source]
Serious question, what do you think is their own land? And what exactly makes you think it is their land?

Are you aware that most of the Arabs of the Holy Land came around the same time period as the Jews? There were Arabs living here previously, of course, as were there living here Jews. Half a century before the British mandate, Jerusalem was already Jewish majority.

  > where they've lived for thousands of years.
The only reason that Jews in the West Bank are called settlers is because the Jews were ethnically cleansed from the West Bank in 1948, and that territory was free of Jews for 19 years. Other than those 19 years, the Jews had been here far longer than the Arab colonizers had been.
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basilgohar ◴[] No.45376422[source]
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js212 ◴[] No.45377256[source]
Jews are an ethnicity and are genetically the same. Even those from Europe and those from Muslim countries (who now live in Israel after getting kicked out of Muslim countries). Stop making stuff up.

Ohhh and Muslims didn’t treat Jews “peacefully”. They were second class citizens and often massacred. Read some history.

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basilgohar ◴[] No.45378477[source]
No, Jews of today are ethnically quite diverse and have mixed significantly. There are several recognized heritages of Jews of today with known populations from North Africa, the Middle East, Iran, and also Europe. I don't deny the "Jewishness" of anyone, but say "The Jews" as if this covers all of them is wrong. There are huge swaths of Jews today that are anti-Zionist and consider Israel an abomination on religious grounds. That it is a religious goal to have a nation of Israel is a new idea driven by Christian Zionists more than Jewish ones and the political, areligious Jewish Zionists enjoy their support and will play any role to achieve their own goals. The recent newly emerging religious Jewish Zionists are a divergence from mainstream Judaism and a recent development that relies on a lot of creative interpretation and ignorance of Jewish religious texts.

And yes, Muslims and Jews lived over 1000 years far more peacefully than any time before. Jerusalem and the rest of the Palestine was at peace under Muslim rule except for the Crusades which, surprise, came from Europe.

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SilverElfin ◴[] No.45378637[source]
Why do you think Jewish people are mixed? Could it that occupiers, like invading Islamic Arabs, drove them away and they mixed over time with others? Regardless of that, it is Jewish people and their culture that are indigenous to the Levant. Not the Islamic Arabs who call themselves Palestinian.

> That it is a religious goal to have a nation of Israel is a new idea driven by Christian Zionists more than Jewish ones and the political, areligious Jewish Zionists enjoy their support and will play any role to achieve their own goals.

It is literally a religious goal of Hamas and the people who voted for them (Gazans) to destroy a religion (Judaism) and to commit genocide. It is literally in their charter. They voted for it. Meanwhile, the nation of Israel has a population that is over 20% Islamic Arab and they are thriving. The reality seems to me to be the opposite of what you’re stating here.

> Jerusalem and the rest of the Palestine was at peace under Muslim rule

It seems to me like you are pro colonization when the rules are Islamic and when the suppressed are Jewish. But not in the reverse? Israel is a democracy. Surely that is preferable to a religious supremacist rule?

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1. za3faran ◴[] No.45408923[source]
> It seems to me like you are pro colonization when the rules are Islamic and when the suppressed are Jewish

Under Islamic law, there is no suppression of minorities, especially People of the Book. They are free to practice and even rule by their own books and laws. Jewish historian shelomo dov goitein admits that Jews lived under the Islamic ruling better than they lived anywhere else in the world.