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sharpshadow ◴[] No.45374509[source]
It would be only just if the Palestinians would get their own state after this.
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skinkestek[dead post] ◴[] No.45374724[source]
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RajT88 ◴[] No.45375010[source]
Other commenters are right, but I'll point out another fallacy you're pushing here.

The current situation is like somebody commits a murder. Then the community rounds up a posse and goes out to kill the murderer. Then kill the murder's family, their neighbors, the residents of the next neighborhood over, raze the neighborhoods and then take all the land for themselves.

Justice means penalizing the guilty parties, not everyone in their geographical/social group. Your definition of Justice is leaky.

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dotancohen ◴[] No.45375098[source]
But isn't that what Hamas did? Broke into homes and burned babies to death? Beheaded people? Pulled fetuses from pregnant women? Shoot up clinics and murder the entire staff and patients?
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LightBug1 ◴[] No.45375366[source]
Getting away from the debate around your details (most of which didn't happen) ...

A singular terrorist event is not the same as an multi-decade occupation, on-going theft of land, discrimination, annexation plans, and - not least - a 2 year long genocide of tens of thousands of civilians.

So, no, that isn't what Hamas did.

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dotancohen ◴[] No.45376028[source]
This has not been a single terrorist event. Hamas has been shooting rockets at us for almost two decades before the October 7th attacks. They are still shooting rockets at us, some have fallen yesterday and today. And I'm not even talking about the rockets shot at us from other Muslim nations, such as Yemen, that just proves that this is a Muslim against Jewish war and not an Israel against Hamas war. 19 Israelis were injured in a rocket attack from Yemen yesterday.

And how could you oppose both the occupation and annexation plans? Annexation is an end to occupation, no? I also think that the occupation has been going on for far too long, though I fault UNRWA and the PA for that as much as I fault Israel.

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1. LightBug1 ◴[] No.45378803{3}[source]
You've relayed one side of the story. I'm aware of the other side.

Taking both together, nothing you've said justifies what has taken place over the last 2 years.

And your comment on annexation as an end to occupation was truly bizarre, but ... unsurprising at this stage.

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2. skinkestek ◴[] No.45383307[source]
less than 60 000 people were killed in the Blitz against London.

By your logic most of what happened in 1944 and 1945 when 350 000 to 500 000 German civilians died were probably injustice.

But in the real world we need to deal with the people who again and again attack their neighbors in vicious ways.

And we need to finish it.

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3. LightBug1 ◴[] No.45384369[source]
No. WW2 was a response to the Nazi expansionism.

What's happening in Palestine is the equivalent of what happens when allies don't fight back against occupying forces.