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Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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873 points helsinkiandrew | 4 comments | 25 Sep 25 15:06 UTC | HN request time: 0.661s | source
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sharpshadow ◴[25 Sep 25 16:02 UTC] No.45374509[source]▶
It would be only just if the Palestinians would get their own state after this.
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lupusreal ◴[25 Sep 25 16:17 UTC] No.45374749[source]▶
Right of return for all Palestinians and their descendants, worldwide.
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vkou ◴[25 Sep 25 16:24 UTC] No.45374865[source]▶
Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves, here, that would have the stench of colonialism about it.

It's not their land to 'return to' - after all, people already live there and they have no moral right to displace them.

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basilgohar ◴[25 Sep 25 16:42 UTC] No.45375160[source]▶
How do you think Israel was formed in the first place? Or is your comment intentionally ironic?
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flyinglizard ◴[25 Sep 25 18:47 UTC] No.45377120[source]▶
Israel was not formed by displacement. That's a common misconception. Jews bought lands all across Palestine in early 1900's, with bodies such as the JNF. The displacement ("Nakba") came in 1948, during the Israeli War of Independence (started by the Arabs in Palestine and abroad), and even that mostly concerned areas which participated in the war. Areas that remained peaceful integrated into Israel (today's Israeli Arabs, 23% of the population).
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1. Saline9515 ◴[25 Sep 25 19:55 UTC] No.45378107[source]▶
It wasn't started by the Palestinians. Israelis conduced ethnic cleansing operations against civilians to displace them, including biowarfare and well poisoning. It continues today, in Gaza and in the West Bank.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cast_Thy_Bread https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_expulsion_from_L...

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2. flyinglizard ◴[25 Sep 25 20:00 UTC] No.45378176[source]▶
The article you linked refers to events during the war of 1948, when Israel was already formalized. It's establishment up to that point was primarily based on lawful acquisition, not expulsion. When it turned to an all out war, then yes, expulsion took place.
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3. Saline9515 ◴[25 Sep 25 20:18 UTC] No.45378423[source]▶
Palestinians still owned most of the land... and buying land doesn't give you the right to rule over the peasants who till it. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/Pa...
4. hashim ◴[25 Sep 25 20:56 UTC] No.45378953[source]▶
Yes, it was so lawful that the Irgun had to bomb the British and Palestinians to lawfully convince them to hand it to them.