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Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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873 points helsinkiandrew | 7 comments | 25 Sep 25 15:06 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source | bottom
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jajuuka ◴[25 Sep 25 15:38 UTC] No.45374111[source]▶
Wow, they actually are pulling back. That is really surprising. Wonder if they see the winds changing on this issue and want to get on the right side of history. Big props to everyone at Microsoft who spoke out about this and risked or lost their jobs because of it. They kept that fire lit on their ass.
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rhetocj23 ◴[25 Sep 25 15:41 UTC] No.45374165[source]▶
Sentiment toward Israel outside of USA has changed.

The leaders of the developed nations of Europe have gone against Trump and publicly stated their recognition of Palestine.

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some-guy ◴[25 Sep 25 15:46 UTC] No.45374251[source]▶
It has changed quite a bit here in the US too, even among the Jewish population. Our synagogue is very divided on this, mainly between the young and the old.
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Joeboy ◴[25 Sep 25 17:07 UTC] No.45375603[source]▶
“There you are, Mr. Netanyahu! Just who do you think you are, killing thousands and flattening neighborhoods, then wrapping yourself in Judaism like it’s some shield from criticism? You’re making life for Jews miserable, and life for American Jews impossible!” - Jewish character on the latest South Park, a show created and run by two Jewish people.

Also ”It’s not Jews vs. Palestine, it’s Israel vs. Palestine!”

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catigula ◴[25 Sep 25 17:13 UTC] No.45375704[source]▶
Hard to imagine that this argument exists, the real victims of mass murder aren't the actual victims of mass murder.
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Joeboy ◴[25 Sep 25 17:32 UTC] No.45376046[source]▶
If a country was killing thousands of people and saying it was to make people like you safer, might you not be inclined to point out it's having the opposite effect?
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catigula ◴[25 Sep 25 17:34 UTC] No.45376075[source]▶
No, that isn't my general reaction to Hitler saying he killed Jews to make Europeans safer.

My reaction is "what are you talking about, psycho murderer?"

That's a good look, try that.

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1. Joeboy ◴[25 Sep 25 17:41 UTC] No.45376184[source]▶
Perhaps we'll have to agree to differ, but I think American Jews being like "not in my name" sends a more politically effective message than "what are you talking about, psycho murderer?".

tbf I'm not primarily interested in what's a good look.

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2. catigula ◴[25 Sep 25 20:17 UTC] No.45378412[source]▶
I think we're stuck and have to agree to disagree but the message sent is at least indistinguishable from the message of a self-interested sociopathic community with no moral concerns beyond their own. When I do things I at least try to make it discernible from psychopathy.
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3. Joeboy ◴[25 Sep 25 20:46 UTC] No.45378829[source]▶
I don't really want to get into the A word thing, but your position makes more sense to me from a perspective of being anti-Jewish, rather than pro-Palestinian. From the latter perspective, I think it's better to challenge Israel's narratives than embolden them.
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5. catigula ◴[25 Sep 25 21:02 UTC] No.45379039{3}[source]▶
I'm glad you realize how silly that word has become. In reality, groups of people via culture or whatever other mechanism do generate certain things that are undeserving or deserving of censure. For example, due to cultural reasons, 1930-1940s Germany produced a high preponderance of Nazis, so we destroyed them.

I'm not suggesting cultural destruction is possible or desireable (maybe it is, but it's not my purview), but if a culture is producing a large preponderance of murderous ethnic supremacists it's time to sound the alarm bells. This entire thing wouldn't have been possible if that community didn't make it so.

This is especially compounded given that this group feels above critique from outsiders. That is a dangerous concoction and unfortunately the end result is wanton murder and redirection of resources to abet it. I think we're all about sick of the killing now. With great power comes great responsibility to be a moral agent.

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6. Joeboy ◴[25 Sep 25 21:08 UTC] No.45379109{4}[source]▶
I think word is sometimes used as a cudgel to derail reasonable discussion. I still think it has its place and at this point, yeah I'm going to say you're unambiguously an antisemite.
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7. catigula ◴[25 Sep 25 21:26 UTC] No.45379335{5}[source]▶
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