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grumple[dead post] ◴[] No.45375530[source]
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1. groos ◴[] No.45375972[source]
Have you not seen any news coming out of Gaza for the past two years? It's a desolate flattened lunarscape. Israel never had any intent of avoiding civilian deaths. Quite the contrary in fact and they still have their eyes on the West Bank.
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2. grumple ◴[] No.45376098[source]
> It's a desolate flattened lunarscape. Israel never had any intent of avoiding civilian deaths.

So you think they managed to destroy so many buildings and only killed ~65k people (about half militants) out of 2 million by not avoiding civilian deaths? If half the buildings are destroyed, we would expect a million dead if there were no efforts to avoid civilian deaths.

Do you think Israel makes no efforts to avoid civilian deaths? If you were presented with easily verifiable proof that they do avoid it (via both their own reporting, international reporting, and Palestinians themselves), would you retract your statement? Are there any facts which would change your mind? I ask because these facts are easily accessible, and I'm happy to provide them with many sources, but only if providing them isn't a total waste of time because it's become a pseudo-religious belief.

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3. hashim ◴[] No.45376556[source]
They don't actively civilian deaths, they just don't particularly care about them for pragmatic reasons, because killing a million people is much less plausibly denial genocide that wouldn't fulfil the former conspiracy theory and now publicly-stated gaol of Netanyahu to subsume Gaza into the rest of former Palestine. Is that not enough evidence for you? Besides that, if you truly believe Israel's version of events that at least 30,000 of those people were "militants" (the ANC and Viet Cong were also militants and terrorists), do you really believe it's possible to get a ~50% collateral damage rate when you care about innocent civilians? Also, the 60K figure has been stuck there for a long time in an ongoing genocide and famine. Once the dust settles and Israel has let the UN in, that figure will go up by a factor of at least two or three.
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4. grumple ◴[] No.45396698{3}[source]
> do you really believe it's possible to get a ~50% collateral damage rate when you care about innocent civilians?

You should look up civilian death rate in previous wars, even recent ones. Civilian deaths typically outnumber combatant deaths by a factor of at least 2:1, often more like 6:1, and sometimes more.